Quote Originally Posted by Seeker View Post
A friend has claimed that there is no textual evidence that the ''waters'' mentioned in Genesis 1 were created. That they formed some sort of ''chaos'' from which the demiurge (or God) made the world. However, in a review of the book Creation out of Nothing by W. L. Craig and Paul Copan, it is written: ''The authors also understand the toledots in Genesis as introducing a new section of the narrative rather than being colophons, and rightly point out that although ברא (bārā) does not inherently refer to creation ex nihilo, the context clearly implies this. They subscribe to the traditional view of a two step creation process: that God first created the raw materials ex nihilo, and then formed these materials into the universe in which we now live. The days of creation, however, are not discussed''. This comes from CMI: https://creation.com/argumentum-ad-n...ing-to-nothing.

I interpret this quote as saying that the ''waters'', were, in fact, created. Does anyone here agree?
He created the universe by cleaving the water (Exodus 14:21) and by thus leading the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt.

to cleave = "baka", done with an axe or sword like "beirei", pi'el-form of "bara" does mean to fell down trees


"mayim" = water, written "mem-yud-mem"

So "splitting the water" would be like the splitting of the letter "yud"

which constitutes the essence of God's name "yud - hei -vav - hei"

The name that doesn't occur in the first story of creation except for in the initial letters of "yom hashishi vay'chulu hashamayim" , the last two words of Genesis 1:31, and the first two words of Genesis 2:1.

"vay'chulu" is from the verb "kalah" put to end, finish - from which does stemm English "to kill" -

Creation was only complete with man being created.

Without man being created there wouldn't have been no creation at all.

Last word of Jesus according to John 19:30 Τετέλεσται = it is finished

which seems to be after the first word of Genesis 2:1 LXX και συνετελεσθησαν

LXX Exodus 21:14 has for "vayibak'u hamayim" (and the waters split) και εσχισθη το υδωρ

after which seems to be Mark 15:28, Καὶ τὸ καταπέτασμα τοῦ ναοῦ ἐσχίσθη εἰς δύο ἀπ' ἄνωθεν ἕως κάτω.

which seems to be about the curtain of the holy of holies -- name of which was "d'vir" (1 Kings 6) with gematria 216, coniciding the 216 letters with which Exodus 14:19-21 is written ( each verse with 72 letters)