NYT - Trump Administration Considers a Drastic Cut in Refugees Allowed to Enter

[Teallaura]

I went through the trouble of explaining how Teallaura was miscontextualizing Scripture, and obviously so, for the purpose of a debate trick.

No one, so far, has shown how I miscontextualized or carelessly used Scripture.

I find this careless use, bordering on malicious use, of Scripture very problematic for anyone claiming the religion.

--Sam

Which I didn't do - you argued against a policy position that had nothing to do with the passage.

OPB most certainly has - among others. I demonstrated your selectivity with exegesis.

[Sam]

Which I didn't do - you argued against a policy position that had nothing to do with the passage.

OPB most certainly has - among others. I demonstrated your selectivity with exegesis.

I answered your charge about exegesis and then I turned to your claim about open borders. It was you that put two things into one post, one on top of the other. I responded in the same format.

--Sam

[seer]

Sam, you have it right. Only the hardest of hearts can hear these words and not be humbled, not be confronted by their own failure to live by these words. It is most disturbing to see the utter callousness by which they are here often dismissed. I rarely reference them anymore on these pages so distubed am I by how their power is mocked by so many here.


Jim

See Jim you are doing it again! We, in my Church, help the needy all the time, and that includes many immigrants, mostly Latino. I was a prison chaplain for three years, and ran Bible studies. I also ran Bible studies in local Rehabs. Did volunteer work at the local soup kitchen, homeless shelter. I'm not bragging because it is never enough, and the fact most Christians here have done the same. So how have I/we failed the Matthew 25 mandate? Because we believe that we should take care of our own first?

And BTW Jim, Christ never refers to all men as His brothers, only those who do the will of God.





http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...his-is-America

[oxmixmudd]

See Jim you are doing it again! We, in my Church, help the needy all the time, and that includes many immigrants, mostly Latino. I was a prison chaplain for three years, and ran Bible studies. I also ran Bible studies in local Rehabs. Did volunteer work at the local soup kitchen, homeless shelter. I'm not bragging because it is never enough, and the fact most Christians here have done the same. So how have I/we failed the Matthew 25 mandate? Because we believe that we should take care of our own first?

And BTW Jim, Christ never refers to all men as His brothers, only those who do the will of God.





http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...his-is-America

Exactly seer. How can anyone be like you are saying you are being and then turn around and attack Christians saying that very same spirit of helpfulness and love is being violated by this action by the administration? How can people that do the works you say you do support an act that turns away thousands that are fleeing death and destruction when we are fully capable of helping them???

I said I don't understand it. And that is exactly what i mean. I don't understand how people that in their real lives probably live good moral Christian lives can abandon those principles when they start debating online, or when someone points out something the Trump administration is doing violates those same basic principles they normally live their lives by. It's like you/we are two different people. A Christian in every way in normal life that turns into a little demon when they start typing on the computer, or when someone points out a clear violation of Christian principles by the trump administration.

This thread is about cutting off the poor and the needy when we are more than capable of helping them, people fleeing death and destruction. There is no way any Christian can support that without simultaneously ignoring the words of Christ they are claiming to uphold.


Jim

[Mountain Man]

I think you just made my point

If your point was that you're a bald-face hypocrite, then yes, I made your point.

[oxmixmudd]

If your point was that you're a bald-face hypocrite, then yes, I made your point.

MM Dictionary:

Hypocrite: Any person that thinks, implies, or otherwise indicates MM may not be morally perfect.

[seer]

Exactly seer. How can anyone be like you are saying you are being and then turn around and attack Christians saying that very same spirit of helpfulness and love is being violated by this action by the administration? How can people that do the works you say you do support an act that turns away thousands that are fleeing death and destruction when we are fully capable of helping them???

I said I don't understand it. And that is exactly what i mean. I don't understand how people that in their real lives probably live good moral Christian lives can abandon those principles when they start debating online, or when someone points out something the Trump administration is doing violates those same basic principles they normally live their lives by. It's like you/we are two different people. A Christian in every way in normal life that turns into a little demon when they start typing on the computer, or when someone points out a clear violation of Christian principles by the trump administration.

This thread is about cutting off the poor and the needy when we are more than capable of helping them, people fleeing death and destruction. There is no way any Christian can support that without simultaneously ignoring the words of Christ they are claiming to uphold.


Jim

Because Jim, I know resources are limited, we just can't take in all the world's poor or even just the ones that want to come in. For goodness sake we can't even take care of the poor we have.

[Mountain Man]

MM Dictionary:

Hypocrite: Any person that thinks, implies, or otherwise indicates MM may not be morally perfect.

This is rich coming from someone who falsely accused his fellow Christians of not obeying scripture and of being callous and hard-hearted because we disagree with applying Old Testament laws directly to the policies of the US government.

[Mountain Man]

This thread is about cutting off the poor and the needy...

As a matter of government policy, yes. I don't have a problem with that, and neither should you. As far as I know, the Trump administration has no plans to restrict what individuals and organizations can do, so we are perfectly free to continue living according to scripture. I have personally helped the poor and needy by my own hand. Have you?

[Sam]

As a matter of government policy, yes. I don't have a problem with that, and neither should you. As far as I know, the Trump administration has no plans to restrict what individuals and organizations can do, so we are perfectly free to continue living according to scripture. I have personally helped the poor and needy by my own hand. Have you?

Individuals and organizations can't resettle refugees if the government doesn't allow them to enter the USA.

--Sam

[Sam]

Because Jim, I know resources are limited, we just can't take in all the world's poor or even just the ones that want to come in. For goodness sake we can't even take care of the poor we have.

The resources of USA are not so limited that we cannot admit tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, of refugees every year -- especially considering that refugee resettlement ends up being a net positive for local, state, and national economies.

--Sam

[Mountain Man]

Individuals and organizations can't resettle refugees if the government doesn't allow them to enter the USA.

Bringing them into the US isn't the only option.

[Sam]

Bringing them into the US isn't the only option.

There are some 25+ million refugees in the world - and there will be more. Many have medical or safety needs that necessitate resettlement. USA sets (or used to set) an important standard of welcome.

The people arguing that it's no big deal to refuse refugees welcome in the USA (and a good many of them flat out think/say we shouldn't have no plan for effective resettlement elsewhere -- they just want it to be someone else's burden.

In 1939, the MS St. Louis brought nearly a thousand Jewish refugees to our shore. People like seer and yourself allowed or even demanded them to be turned away -- someone else in Europe or wherever could take care of them. Returning to Europe, about of quarter of those refugees would die in German concentration camps.

NIMBY Christianity has no relationship with Christianity proper.

--Sam

[seer]

The resources of USA are not so limited that we cannot admit tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands, of refugees every year -- especially considering that refugee resettlement ends up being a net positive for local, state, and national economies.

--Sam

Nonsense, we can't care for the people we have.

[oxmixmudd]

Nonsense, we can't care for the people we have.

Nonsense. We are one of the most wealthy nations in the world. And we have a culture and a philosophy as a people that is undermined by the current mentality of xenophobia that has gripped this administration. And those that name the name of Christ should not be supporting it. It is contrary to nearly everything Jesus taught about our responsibility to the poor and suffering in the world.

Jim