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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    The church - however - is. And we are members of the church. And so our response must align with the statements made by the leader of our theocracy.

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    But our GOVERNMENT is not. Therefore, we can not hold them to scriptural standards on refugees.


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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    By all means lets follow the Old Testament:


    If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
    funny how we are always more eager to follow the commands that ostensibly give us an excuse condemn and destroy others, whereas we tend to downplay or flat out ignore those command that require sacrifice in one form or another from us.


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    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

    "So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    No. Theocratic decrees directly to the nation of Israel have nothing to do with the US.
    I'm concerned with the notion that welcoming strangers is considered a "theocratic decree" and can so be dismissed as a matter of belief or practice that Christians don't need to bring into their respective political realms. Are all "decrees" from the Hebrew Scriptures considered this way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    I'm concerned with the notion that welcoming strangers is considered a "theocratic decree" and can so be dismissed as a matter of belief or practice that Christians don't need to bring into their respective political realms.
    When you understand that the US is not Israel, it clears up pretty quickly.

    Are all "decrees" from the Hebrew Scriptures considered this way?

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    Yes


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    But our GOVERNMENT is not. Therefore, we can not hold them to scriptural standards on refugees.
    Aren't Trump and Pence ostensibly Christians? Don't they have strong support from white Christians, especially Evangelicals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    When you understand that the US is not Israel, it clears up pretty quickly.

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    They have not been so interpreted on this forum at any point I've been here. A total disregard for "decrees" in the Hebrew Scriptures in relation to US policy has most definitely not been common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    In terms of governmental difference. Both areas were part of the Roman Empire.
    So a refugee from Palestine travelling to northern Britannia would be like "moving from Pennsylvania to Vermont" in the 1st century?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Aren't Trump and Pence ostensibly Christians?
    A personal faith does not mandate federal policy. It can influence it, but can not dictate it. That's the point I have been making.

    Don't they have strong support from white Christians, especially Evangelicals?
    Irrelevant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    A personal faith does not mandate federal policy. It can influence it, but can not dictate it. That's the point I have been making.

    Irrelevant.
    I find it extremely relevant, given many Christians' insistence (here and elsewhere) that Christian beliefs make it impossible or immoral to support certain parties and politicians. It is, indeed, such a widely-expressed view, here and elsewhere, that I have to wonder why the allowance is cropping up here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    funny how we are always more eager to follow the commands that ostensibly give us an excuse condemn and destroy others, whereas we tend to downplay or flat out ignore those command that require sacrifice in one form or another from us.


    Jim
    Right Jim, if you want to follow the rules of a Theocracy don't pick and choose. Remember the Jews could enslave the Alien at will. And they could not worship other (foreign) gods. And I'm tired of the virtue signalling from people like Sam, and you at times.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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