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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    They have not been so interpreted on this forum at any point I've been here.
    Yes they have. I've been here since a few days after the site was created. I've been on staff for all but 2 months. I was in the top 10 posters for most of that time. I was even active in the rescue forum when the TWeb server had gone belly up. Nearly 20 years worth of active posting. I've seen many, many people come and go. I can count on one hand the amount of people who say that we should implement the OT laws as policy in the US.

    A total disregard for "decrees" in the Hebrew Scriptures in relation to US policy has most definitely not been common.
    I never said totally disregard them. They can teach us - as individuals - some important lessons. But trying to use them as the law itself has never been pushed here in my almost 20 years of membership.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Yes they have. I've been here since a few days after the site was created. I've been on staff for all but 2 months. I was in the top 10 posters for most of that time. I was even active in the rescue forum when the TWeb server had gone belly up. Nearly 20 years worth of active posting. I've seen many, many people come and go. I can count on one hand the amount of people who say that we should implement the OT laws as policy in the US.

    I never said totally disregard them. They can teach us - as individuals - some important lessons. But trying to use them as the law itself has never been pushed here in my almost 20 years of membership.
    What law from the Hebrew Scriptures has been proposed?

    And, I'm sorry, but the idea that Christian values can inform us as individuals but play little to no role in directing US policy is the standard opinion of most of folks posting here is not only wrong but obviously so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    I find it extremely relevant, given many Christians' insistence (here and elsewhere) that Christian beliefs make it impossible or immoral to support certain parties and politicians.
    And that is policy-based. When a party or politician espouses policies that are blatantly anti-Christian, only THEN does it become relevant. But that wasn't what you were asking. You were implying that a decree from God to Israel should be implemented by a non-theocratic nation.

    It is, indeed, such a widely-expressed view, here and elsewhere, that I have to wonder why the allowance is cropping up here.

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    Then perhaps you are not explaining your objections very well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    What law from the Hebrew Scriptures has been proposed?
    Uh, your OP.

    And, I'm sorry, but the idea that Christian values can inform us as individuals but play little to no role in directing US policy is the standard opinion of most of folks posting here is not only wrong but obviously so.

    --Sam
    Ask the US atheists here if they want to be governed by the Bible and its decrees. We have to have secular reasons for the policies we feel intersect our Christian beliefs. But we can not, nor have ANY of us proposed, implementing direct Biblical decrees as law. And I challenge you to find an instance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    No. Theocratic decrees directly to the nation of Israel have nothing to do with the US.
    Moreover the translations that use the word "sojourner" in place of "alien" and "foreigner" are closer to the Hebrew. Sojourners are travelers or visitors, not folks who are planning on moving in permanently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    So a refugee from Palestine travelling to northern Britannia would be like "moving from Pennsylvania to Vermont" in the 1st century?
    What does Britannia have to do with anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    What does Britannia have to do with anything?
    I know they never expected the Spanish Inquisition!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    And that is policy-based. When a party or politician espouses policies that are blatantly anti-Christian, only THEN does it become relevant. But that wasn't what you were asking. You were implying that a decree from God to Israel should be implemented by a non-theocratic nation.

    Then perhaps you are not explaining your objections very well.
    You don't find refusing welcome to asylum-seekers and refugees -- to the point of zeroing-out refugee admissions blatantly anti-Christian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    What does Britannia have to do with anything?
    It, too, was part of the Roman Empire at the time and therefore fits under the "governmental difference" definition you used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    You don't find refusing welcome to asylum-seekers and refugees -- to the point of zeroing-out refugee admissions blatantly anti-Christian?

    --Sam
    Do you find allowing homosexuals to live blatantly unbiblical?
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