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  • #31
    In itself a "healing service" is not a bad thing; James 5:14 seems to call for them. But I'm aware the term has a different connotation in modern day religion, and James never promises the healing will actually happen.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
      In itself a "healing service" is not a bad thing; James 5:14 seems to call for them. But I'm aware the term has a different connotation in modern day religion, and James never promises the healing will actually happen.

      And, the WoF movement has so intertwined health and wealth that I find it difficult to believe that there is any hope in separating the 2 issues.

      I want to make it very clear that I believe that God still heals today. I believe that prayer and perhaps oil anointing and laying on of hands may be part of how God works, although those things do absolutely nothing on their own to effect healing.

      I believe God performs miracles today. I do not believe God uses any so-called new apostle or any other person to affect a miracle. I do not believe God speaks new revelation through any person, so when Benny has spent 40 years claiming new revelation and healings and miracles, he is a false prophet and a liar. And he has, with this "repentance", admitted he is a false teacher, whether he thinks that is what he has done or not.

      He needs to get out of ministry, he needs to apologize for all the money he has stolen over the years, and he needs to do as much reparation as is possible at this point in time. Then I might believe he has truly repented.


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      • #33
        Bill the Cat has a sticky here, listing the various heretical word of faith preachers like Hinn, and their heresies:

        http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...etical-beliefs

        Saves time having to post them here. The whole WoF movement is corrupt.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          Bill the Cat has a sticky here, listing the various heretical word of faith preachers like Hinn, and their heresies:

          http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...etical-beliefs

          Saves time having to post them here. The whole WoF movement is corrupt.
          Hmm. Looking through some of those, while quite a bit of it is nonsense, some of it doesn't seem that far off from orthodox teaching. Like some of the talk about equating humanity and divinity sounds like a slightly mixed up view of the Orthodox Church's teachings on theosis. Joyce Meyer's view on the first page is an exaggerated take on the Harrowing of Hell. And the Bible does have clear passages on the power of faith and prayer.

          I'm not arguing that the WoF stuff is legit, I don't think it is, and I think plenty of it is ignorant and/or crosses the border into heresy, but I'm cautious about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


          I've been to a few of these types of churches (I once went to a Rod Parsley service (oh brother, that was a nightmare)), and while I think things like selling prayer cloths and oils are Temple table flipping offences, and a lot of the hype and emotionalism grieves me to my spirit, what most of these types of churches are mainly guilty of is putting on a show, and exaggerating claims rather than preaching a sermon. I'm certain there are a number of Pastors in the movement that are straight up con artists, but having met a few personally, I sincerely believe that there are a number who are sincere Christians caught up in the hype of the movement.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            In itself a "healing service" is not a bad thing; James 5:14 seems to call for them. But I'm aware the term has a different connotation in modern day religion, and James never promises the healing will actually happen.
            Actually vv. 15-16 certainly do seem to promise that, and even support the "If you're sick, it's because you sinned" idea.

            This is one of many things frustrating to those of us who want to believe that Scripture is understandable and trustworthy.
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            • #36
              This is lengthy, but very good.



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              • #37
                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                Benny Hinn renounces prosperity gospel, says ‘Holy Ghost is just fed up with it’


                Speaking on a Facebook live broadcast:



                However, shortly after this announcement, one writer noticed that his website was still asking for $1000 a month, and he posted a subsequent video pitch asking for "seed money for debt elimination". So I suppose it remains to be seen if he has truly experienced a change in heart.
                Man that is terrible. He knows what he's doing is wrong and he's willingly violating his conscience and the testimony of the Holy Spirit to harm thousands of people for mammon
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                • #38
                  How foolish can a person be?
                  If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by hamster View Post
                    Man that is terrible. He knows what he's doing is wrong and he's willingly violating his conscience and the testimony of the Holy Spirit to harm thousands of people for mammon

                    And he's done it for 40 years!

                    Peters makes a good point in the video I posted last night, that if Hinn has had such a close relationship with God for the last 4 decades, why didn't God tell him way earlier that what he was teaching was wrong? Why wait until 2 years ago, and why did he continue with his false teaching?


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