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The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMust have been before my time, or different region of the country.... I've never experienced that at all.
I am fully aware of the encouragement from clergy to seek reconciliation, but I have never experienced any situations like you describe.
There's a difference between variant policies and actual law, Leon... we certainly don't have honor killings and rules against women driving and being in public without a guardian.... Have you studied Sharia law?
I am not. I was unaware you were - I knew you had some issues there, but... no, certainly not.
I don't think you'll find many mainline Christian communities calling for the execution of homosexuals, Leon.
Some Islamist groups consider homosexuality as something that should be given a death penalty. I'd even grant you that more of them do than Christians do. But we're only a couple of decades away from where a man could go to prison over this, or be forced into medical treatment.
There are still camps for boys out there in the US, Cow Poke. Usually, they're told to say they're there for 'delinquency', lots of testimony about them being given pseudo-Freudian therapy and made to drink bleach as punishments.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHe's referring to Church Discipline, as outlined in Matthew 18:15-17 - unfortunately, most churches don't have the courage to exercise it that way, so it's a bit of an over-idealized unworkable solution, in my opinion.
The hasedic have similar courts, in fact they've infamously covered up a lot of crime in their own community, and handled it internally in various ways.
So I have a feeling its not religious courts having their own seperate rules you have a problem with Cow Poke?
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostFunny, I was about to say the same about my Muslim friends. They don't seem to call for my execution at all.
I guess John Piper, and others are nobodies, that just aren't given any hearing in the baptist community. My mistake.
This appears to be getting into a rather heated discussion between us, which I do not intend at all, and since I consider you a brother and a friend, I'll politely bow out.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostAre you here referring to the fact that I'm gay Cow Poke? If you do, I don't think that's fair in this conversation. Nor would Christian communities come out as great as you think they would.
At first I thought you were saying that you were gay Cow Poke, not that you were saying to Cow Poke, "I'm gay." The difference between "I'm gay, Cow Poke" and "I'm gay Cow Poke."
I was trying to remember if anyone had ever referred to Leonhard as "gay Cow Poke" before.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostSouthern Baptists, in particular, have in many instances adviced abused women not to go to the police, and instead direct them to talk to other people in the Church first. Typically a group of men, who are 'senior' in the church. The elders then in many cases tell the women that they have to submit to their husbands.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostApologies to all if this is inappropriate, but I initially misunderstood this and it confused the heck out of me.
At first I thought you were saying that you were gay Cow Poke, not that you were saying to Cow Poke, "I'm gay." The difference between "I'm gay, Cow Poke" and "I'm gay Cow Poke."
I was trying to remember if anyone had ever referred to Leonhard as "gay Cow Poke" before.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostYes, that's the point. You don't seem to mind a religious community creating its own laws, that supercede the laws of a secular country they're in.
Again, I consider you a friend, and I don't wish to be at war with you. IF a matter can be addressed in a spiritual manner, great -- I am not, nor have I ever, desired a woman to suffer unnecessarily under an abusive husband, or the other way around.
Last word to you.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mountain man View Posti have never heard of that happening at any church. Sounds more like something you'd expect from a cult.
a prominent southern baptist leader at the center of controversy this spring over comments he has made about abused women allegedly encouraged a woman who said she had been raped not to report it to the police and told her to forgive her alleged assailant, the woman has told the washington post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...?noredirect=onLast edited by Charles; 09-10-2019, 12:23 PM."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View Postfyi:
Paige Patterson Fired by Southwestern, Stripped of Retirement Benefits
A week after trustees voted to immediately shift Paige Patterson to “president emeritus” at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (SWBTS), the board’s executive committee has stripped the Southern Baptist stalwart of all “benefits, rights and privileges.”
Happy? I am!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostIt is not exactly the same case that Leonhard describes.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Chuckles View Postfyi:
It is not exactly the same case that Leonhard describes.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostFYI, I never said it didn't happen, only that I had never heard of it happening. All indications suggest that this is one of those things that only happens on the fringe and isn't a widespread practice in US churches.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post[...] All indications suggest that this is one of those things that only happens on the fringe and isn't a widespread practice in US churches.
A former Southern Baptist missionary and denominational worker on Tuesday pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault 11 years after the denomination’s International Mission Board substantiated allegations of sexual abuse against him but did not report it the police. https://baptistnews.com/article/form.../#.XXfgqajyuzw"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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