Massive Muslim Immigration...

[Sam]

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

I'm asking you what you've got to support your claim besides prejudice-prone personal observation (and not even remotely first-hand observation, at that).

--Sam

[Mountain Man]

"Citing a recent study done by Ednan Aslan, professor of Islamic Religious Education at the University of Vienna, the Institute reported that for more than 51 percent of the interviewees, the supremacy of Islam over other religions is undisputed, and 55 percent believe in hell for unbelievers."

Wow, these people would never fit in here in America!

Without even bothering about the sourcing, can you seriously not see how easily you could replace the labels here with "white Evangelicals"?

--Sam

Because the history, culture, and theology of Islam is identical to Evangelical Christianity, am I right?

[Sam]

Because the history, culture, and theology of Islam is identical to Evangelical Christianity, am I right?

If people chose to learn from American history instead of indignantly denying it, they might come to see the similarities, yes.

--Sam

[Mountain Man]

If people chose to learn from American history instead of indignantly denying it, they might come to see the similarities, yes.

--Sam

The history of Christianity predates the founding of America, at least by a few years.

[Sam]

The history of Christianity predates the founding of America, at least by a few years.

Evangelical Christianity, however, does not. It began in mid-18th century New England.

And it's not like the Christianity you practice today takes more cultural cues from 1st-century practitioners than from 20th/21st century cultural mores, either.

--Sam

[Mountain Man]

Evangelical Christianity, however, does not. It began in mid-18th century New England.

And it's not like the Christianity you practice today takes more cultural cues from 1st-century practitioners than from 20th/21st century cultural mores, either.

--Sam

Evangelical Christianity, even at its worst, is nothing like Islam.

[Sam]

Evangelical Christianity, even at its worst, is nothing like Islam.

Evangelical Christians were lynching young black boys because they talked to a white girl at one point but, sure, go on.

This is what's at heart, here: not a sincere concern about mainstream cultural norms or integration or anything like that. A deep, abiding, and bigoted mess of nonsense about what "Islam is", paired with the paranoid apocylptica of modern right-wing Christianism.

And Christianism is not of Christ.

--Sam

[Cow Poke]

That is a completely private thing. And whether it is much or little does not make any difference to the point made. Why so focused on my person?

Ah, hiding behind scripture you've taken out of context!

[oxmixmudd]

For the most part they have little or no desire to fit into society but want to remain isolated with their own culture and even laws.

Does that mean we should refuse orthodox jews immigration status? They certainly do NOT assimilate in the nanner you seem to be implying.

Should we then begin deporting the amish, or mennonites? They certainly haven't 'assimilated' either.

Jim

[Cow Poke]

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

I'm beginning to remember why discussions with Sam were so laborious.

[Sam]

Ah, hiding behind scripture you've taken out of context!

"Well, what are YOU doing?" is and will continue to be a fallacious method of debating public policy issues, or even wide cultural phenomena.

Demanding to know specifics regarding someone's personal finances and/or charity is not appropriate; very few of us have that level of familiarity with others here -- and they can have those conversations face-to-face.

--Sam

[Cow Poke]

Should we then begin deporting the amish, or mennonites? They certainly haven't 'assimilated' either.

Jim

Have you been to Amish Country in Pennsylvania and Ohio? They've assimilated quite well, and have become rather capitalist, Jim.

[Cow Poke]

"Well, what are YOU doing?" is and will continue to be a fallacious method of debating public policy issues, or even wide cultural phenomena.

Demanding to know specifics regarding someone's personal finances and/or charity is not appropriate; very few of us have that level of familiarity with others here -- and they can have those conversations face-to-face.

--Sam

That's a cowardly way of demanding others "do something" while hiding behind this phony veil of secrecy. As they say, either put up or shut up.

[Sam]

I'm beginning to remember why discussions with Sam were so laborious.

They are indeed. But necessarily so, if someone is going to make prejudicial claims that are not based on good, let alone rigorous, evidence.

"Your Nigerian" immigrants, for example, represent a very common story among immigrants and refugees; nearly all the refugees I've met or learned about through friends who work at resettlement organizations have similar desires and stories. Most want to integrate, want to work hard, and want to thrive.

That's true of people everywhere. It's human. Taking that away from millions of people without a strong demonstration of evidence isn't just factually wrong, it's dehumanizing.

--Sam

[Cow Poke]

They are indeed.

Knock yourself out.