Never Forget...

[Leonhard]

She still refuses to condemn Al Quaeda or Islamic terrorism.

She refuses to tie the terrorism to Islam, which I support her in. At least if all muslims should share guilt in that terrorist act, then all Christians should share guilt in every murder, or act of terrorism committed by Christians anywhere.

At least if we're to be consistent, which is something seer is obsessed about being.

[Charles]

Charles, you're asking somebody to prove a negative. That's not how this works.

How bout you provide a quote where she DOES condemn the terrorists.

I am asking him to support a statement he made. He said: "She still refuses to condemn Al Quaeda or Islamic terrorism." To ask him to provide a source in which she actively refuses to condemn the terrorists is not to ask him to prove a negative.

I am not saying he cannot do it. Only that I would like to see what he bases his statement on.

[seer]

I am asking him to support a statement he made. He said: "She still refuses to condemn Al Quaeda or Islamic terrorism." To ask him to provide a source in which she actively refuses to condemn the terrorists is not to ask him to prove a negative.

I am not saying he cannot do it. Only that I would like to see what he bases his statement on.

Does "some people did something" sound like she is condemning Islamic terrorism?

[Sparko]

I am asking him to support a statement he made. He said: "She still refuses to condemn Al Quaeda or Islamic terrorism." To ask him to provide a source in which she actively refuses to condemn the terrorists is not to ask him to prove a negative.

I am not saying he cannot do it. Only that I would like to see what he bases his statement on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFdGe_b7Slo

When asked directly by a reporter, she pivots and answers something completely different. She has been asked this before, even accused by Trump of being Pro-Al Queda yet she will not condemn them.

[Charles]

Does "some people did something" sound like she is condemning Islamic terrorism?

The statement that I was asking Sparko to support was this: "She still refuses to condemn Al Quaeda or Islamic terrorism."

Can you give us an example, seer? He is not saying "she does not" he is saying "she still refuses".

[Mountain Man]

She refuses to tie the terrorism to Islam, which I support her in. At least if all muslims should share guilt in that terrorist act, then all Christians should share guilt in every murder, or act of terrorism committed by Christians anywhere.

At least if we're to be consistent, which is something seer is obsessed about being.

Difference being that Christianity calls for peace while Islam calls for violence.

[seer]

[Cow Poke]

She refuses to tie the terrorism to Islam, which I support her in. At least if all muslims should share guilt in that terrorist act, then all Christians should share guilt in every murder, or act of terrorism committed by Christians anywhere.

Two things are different...

A) If a "Christian" commits murder or terrorism in the name of Christ, the VAST majority of Christians will quickly and clearly condemn it as NOT Christian.
2) If a Muslim commits murder or terrorism in the name of Allah, he is celebrated around the world as a warrior for Jihad.

At least if we're to be consistent, which is something seer is obsessed about being.

See above.

[Charles]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFdGe_b7Slo

When asked directly by a reporter, she pivots and answers something completely different. She has been asked this before, even accused by Trump of being Pro-Al Queda yet she will not condemn them.

Nope. She is not asking something completely different. There is a very interesting point in what she says:

And it goes on:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/16...mic-terrorism/

[Leonhard]

Difference being that Christianity calls for peace while Islam calls for violence.

Neither of that is true. War is perfectly okay, even mandated by Christianity in certain circumstances, no one except the earliest Church Fathers believed that before you became a Christian you had to renounce and repent of having been a soldier. Which is what they made the early centurion do, and not for any association with the roman religions either.

Not only is it okay, in the context of Christian morals, to engage in war to protect your borders. It is also okay to engage in war to conquer in certain contexts when you're defeating an enemy that is threatening you.

I will grant that both the Quran and the Hadith have more specific charges about what to do with territories that are conquered, and its more fertile soil if you want to quote mine, but I know of no serious Islamic scholar who condones terrorism. Violent Wahabi Jihadist misquote their passages worse than Christian slave traders quoted Biblical passages in defense of what they're doing. You'll find more support for a persons right to own a slave if you're a Christian, than you will for committing terrorism if you're a Muslim.

No Muslim friend of mine ever argued that those terrorists did anything good, if anything they hate them more than you do, because they've caused the world to fear them unjustly.

[Leonhard]

A) If a "Christian" commits murder or terrorism in the name of Christ, the VAST majority of Christians will quickly and clearly condemn it as NOT Christian.

Or claim that the person isn't a Christian, because Christian people don't do that.

2) If a Muslim commits murder or terrorism in the name of Allah, he is celebrated around the world as a warrior for Jihad.

We must be reading about other Muslims, because those I'm aware of do not celebrate that stuff.

[Cow Poke]

No Muslim friend of mine ever argued that those terrorists did anything good, if anything they hate them more than you do, because they've caused the world to fear them unjustly.

I would guess that's true with the vast majority of Muslims, Leon -- I was looking up some statistics to prove otherwise, and - especially in non-Muslim countries - there is a lot of that sentiment, where Muslims hate that other Muslims are doing acts of terror in the name of Allah.

Still, in other countries - Muslim dominated - there is dancing and celebrating in the streets that "the Great Satan" has been dealt a blow.

I don't think you'll really find large communities of Christians celebrating any Christian who commits a terrorist act in the name of Christ.

[Cow Poke]

Or claim that the person isn't a Christian, because Christian people don't do that.

By their fruit you shall know them --- there is no New Testament justification for a Christian to commit acts of terrorism. (And I specifically said "in the name of Christ" to make it on par with "in the name of Allah")

We must be reading about other Muslims, because those I'm aware of do not celebrate that stuff.

Agreed - but you can't dispute (I hope) that there are, indeed, whole communities that dance and celebrate in the streets when such terror is committed in the name of Allah.

[seer]

Nope. She is not asking something completely different. There is a very interesting point in what she says:



And it goes on:



https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/16...mic-terrorism/

But she did not condemn al-Qaeda. I have yet to see anywhere she did. And yes if a particular white supremacist group did something like that I would condemn them by name, and their ideology. After all she supports CAIR

https://www.nationalreview.com/2014/...-daniel-pipes/

[Leonhard]

I would guess that's true with the vast majority of Muslims, Leon -- I was looking up some statistics to prove otherwise, and - especially in non-Muslim countries - there is a lot of that sentiment, where Muslims hate that other Muslims are doing acts of terror in the name of Allah.

I just believe Muslims in the West, for no other reason than this, deserve to be treated with the benefit of the doubt.

Still, in other countries - Muslim dominated - there is dancing and celebrating in the streets that "the Great Satan" has been dealt a blow.

I will also have to grant this. There's no doubt that there's a lot of animosity in certain countries towards the west, and acts of terrorism are seen as them sticking it to us by many there.

I don't think you'll really find large communities of Christians celebrating any Christian who commits a terrorist act in the name of Christ.

Also granted.