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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    I just believe Muslims in the West, for no other reason than this, deserve to be treated with the benefit of the doubt.
    Sure, but it would help if they would more publicly denounce the terrorism. It appears, however, that puts them in jeopardy from the extremists in their own religion.

    I will also have to grant this. There's no doubt that there's a lot of animosity in certain countries towards the west, and acts of terrorism are seen as them sticking it to us by many there.
    Exactly - and who gets the attention? The GOOD kid in class? Or the kid who acts like a jackass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Does "some people did something" sound like she is condemning Islamic terrorism?
    Having read Sparko's post, it sounds like she's praising Tom Burnett and company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    By their fruit you shall know them --- there is no New Testament justification for a Christian to commit acts of terrorism. (And I specifically said "in the name of Christ" to make it on par with "in the name of Allah")
    Yes, but its a silly statement, because if Muslims - as most in the West do - those terrorist acts are fundamentally against Islamic Law, then they can just as well use the same defense. At any rate, the Wahabi influenced terrorists definitely believed their acts were within the pale of the law (as they concieve it), just as the Lords Resistance Army in Uganda believes it is okay to chop off arms and legs in the name of Christ.

    Agreed - but you can't dispute (I hope) that there are, indeed, whole communities that dance and celebrate in the streets when such terror is committed in the name of Allah.
    I didn't. There are differences. I still believe it's unfair to make Muslims in the west accountable for these actions, or to charge them with somehow being responsible for it, or to suspect them of evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Having read Sparko's post, it sounds like she's praising Tom Burnett and company.
    Great to see ya, Roy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Sure, but it would help if they would more publicly denounce the terrorism.
    They often do. But do you think that sells more clicks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    I still believe it's unfair to make Muslims in the west accountable for these actions, or to charge them with somehow being responsible for it, or to suspect them of evil.
    Sorry Leonhard, after all these years I'm still heartbroken and pissed. Sadly, I think I will look at Islam with a suspicious eye as long as I draw breath... Never mind the fact that men are still dying from working on "The Pile."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    They often do. But do you think that sells more clicks?
    Of course not, but it's a publicity problem they have, and only they can manage.

    When some nut does something "in the name of God", and is widely and quickly blasted by everybody except Westboro, it falls off the news radar pretty quickly. Many times, the MSM does their best to tie it to Christianity, like if the guy went to Sunday School when he was 3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    Nope. She is not asking something completely different. There is a very interesting point in what she says:



    And it goes on:



    https://thefederalist.com/2019/07/16...mic-terrorism/
    Like I said, she refuses to condemn Al Qaeda or Islamic Terrorism. Thanks for playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Having read Sparko's post, it sounds like she's praising Tom Burnett and company.
    no. her "some people" referred to the terrorists, and "did something" referred to killing 3000+ people and destroying two buildings in New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonhard View Post
    Neither of that is true. War is perfectly okay, even mandated by Christianity in certain circumstances, no one except the earliest Church Fathers believed that before you became a Christian you had to renounce and repent of having been a soldier. Which is what they made the early centurion do, and not for any association with the roman religions either.

    Not only is it okay, in the context of Christian morals, to engage in war to protect your borders. It is also okay to engage in war to conquer in certain contexts when you're defeating an enemy that is threatening you.

    I will grant that both the Quran and the Hadith have more specific charges about what to do with territories that are conquered, and its more fertile soil if you want to quote mine, but I know of no serious Islamic scholar who condones terrorism. Violent Wahabi Jihadist misquote their passages worse than Christian slave traders quoted Biblical passages in defense of what they're doing. You'll find more support for a persons right to own a slave if you're a Christian, than you will for committing terrorism if you're a Muslim.

    No Muslim friend of mine ever argued that those terrorists did anything good, if anything they hate them more than you do, because they've caused the world to fear them unjustly.
    No where in the Bible will you find a call to arms to spread Christianity. The Koran explicitly calls for the death of any who refuse to submit. The disciples of Jesus practiced peace. The disciples of Mohammad practiced war. Jesus said to love your enemies. Mohammad said to kill them.

    There is no moral equivalence whatsoever between Christianity and Islam.
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