Trump plans to ban e-cigs

[Sparko]

Unless you live in a vacuum you have heard about several vaping deaths and hundreds of people (mostly kids) with lung problems from vaping. Trump has said he is thinking about banning flavored vaping liquids to discourage teens from vaping.

Trump administration readies ban on flavored e-cigarettes amid outbreak of vaping-related deathshttps://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/trum...g-disease.html

So, is this a good thing or is it overreaching government nannying, like when NY wanted to ban sugary drinks (colas) to for the people's own good?

[seer]

Just proves that Trump is a tyrant!

[Sparko]

Just proves that Trump is a tyrant!

Most liberals are claiming such.

But it's OK to ban guns because they are dangerous! And sugary drinks. And meat. and planes. and cows. all for our own good.

...but we should legalize pot.

[mossrose]

Pot has been legal here for nearly a year, but flavoured vape stuff has already been banned (I think, or maybe they've just been talking about it).

Thankfully, my girl told me last time she was here that smoking anything is really bad for you. Good on you, Mommy and Daddy!

[Sparko]

I have heard that the people getting sick from vaping have all been vaping THC based products (the active ingredient in marijuana) - if that is true then there is no need to ban the flavored store bought stuff - at least not without testing it first.

Also a lot of the flavored stuff comes without nicotine (you can get it both ways)

[QuantaFille]

Last I heard, it was the ones with butter flavouring that were making people sick. It is an additive that used to be used in microwave popcorn until the manufacturers noticed their workers who handled the stuff were getting very sick from breathing it in. They voluntarily stopped using it, but now it's in vaping liquid and people are breathing it in and getting sick. Look up "popcorn lung".

[Sparko]

Last I heard, it was the ones with butter flavouring that were making people sick. It is an additive that used to be used in microwave popcorn until the manufacturers noticed their workers who handled the stuff were getting very sick from breathing it in. They voluntarily stopped using it, but now it's in vaping liquid and people are breathing it in and getting sick. Look up "popcorn lung".

found this article:

What Causes Popcorn Lung?

The chemical that gave this condition its nickname is diacetyl. After workers at a factory that packaged microwave popcorn were found to have bronchiolitis obliterans more often than other people, some companies stopped using diacetyl as a flavoring. But it's still used in some electronic cigarette flavors in the US. Many e-cigarette makers state they aren't using this chemical in their products and its use in e-cigarettes is banned in Europe.

Another common cause is acetaldehyde, a chemical found in the smoke from marijuana and some electronic cigarettes. Acetaldehyde also can damage the lining of your mouth, throat, and stomach.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/popcorn-lung#1

So if it is this diacetyl, the answer is to ban it, not the e-cigs. It also says that the acetaldeyde is found in marijuana which the article I posted earlier says seems to be the common denominator in many of the cases.

[KingsGambit]

Vaping has killed fewer than ten people while helping people quit smoking cigarettes, which has killed millions. Better ban it!

[Sparko]

Vaping has killed fewer than ten people while helping people quit smoking cigarettes, which has killed millions. Better ban it!

I get the feeling they have been looking for an excuse to ban vaping and now that they have this, they are going all out.

I find the habit annoying, with people blowing out these huge billowing clouds of vapor.

But if it really IS causing people to get sick, does that mean the "second-hand vapor" can too? If so, then it no longer is a matter of taking your own health in your hands you could be endangering people around you. This seems to be a pretty quick acting illness, unlike cancer which could take decades to occur.

[oxmixmudd]

Unless you live in a vacuum you have heard about several vaping deaths and hundreds of people (mostly kids) with lung problems from vaping. Trump has said he is thinking about banning flavored vaping liquids to discourage teens from vaping.

Trump administration readies ban on flavored e-cigarettes amid outbreak of vaping-related deathshttps://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/11/trum...g-disease.html

So, is this a good thing or is it overreaching government nannying, like when NY wanted to ban sugary drinks (colas) to for the people's own good?

This seems to me to be a good thing.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

I get the feeling they have been looking for an excuse to ban vaping and now that they have this, they are going all out.

I find the habit annoying, with people blowing out these huge billowing clouds of vapor.

But if it really IS causing people to get sick, does that mean the "second-hand vapor" can too? If so, then it no longer is a matter of taking your own health in your hands you could be endangering people around you. This seems to be a pretty quick acting illness, unlike cancer which could take decades to occur.

I think they are just banning the flavored ones, not the tobacco related ones. However it is a bit of misplaced priorities to act so quickly to deal with an apparently previously unknown hazard of vaping but not try to do anything about people mowing down innocents with guns ...

Jim

[Sparko]

I think they are just banning the flavored ones, not the tobacco related ones. However it is a bit of misplaced priorities to act so quickly to deal with an apparently previously unknown hazard of vaping but not try to do anything about people mowing down innocents with guns ...

Jim

Please don't derail my thread.

[rogue06]

Most liberals are claiming such.

But it's OK to ban guns because they are dangerous! And sugary drinks. And meat. and planes. and cows. all for our own good.

...but we should legalize pot.

How could you forget to include plastic straws?

[KingsGambit]

Most liberals are claiming such.

But it's OK to ban guns because they are dangerous! And sugary drinks. And meat. and planes. and cows. all for our own good.

...but we should legalize pot.

Who has actually proposed banning meat on a federal level? I don't mean discouraging, I mean banning.

[Sparko]

Who has actually proposed banning meat on a federal level? I don't mean discouraging, I mean banning.

banninghttps://ijr.com/2020-democrats-mull-...limate-change/