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  • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I'll answer it. It's not hard from a pro-life perspective. Yes, the 11 year old should not be permitted to have an abortion unless their life is truly at risk. A C-section delivery would be the least bad option for all parties (including the baby who did not ask to be conceived via rape). The rapist should have to turn over their life's savings to the child before entering prison, and it would be wholly appropriate for the government to ensure that the child has any educational, physical and mental health resources available.
    Thank you for being honest, KG. I couldn't understand why that was such a difficult question for a pro-lifer to answer. Not quite sure most conservative (pro-lifers) would agree in principle with the bolded part though.

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    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
      That doesn't answer the question, Bill. Would you have supported the forcing of the 11 year old rape victim to give birth, or not?
      I oppose abortion in all cases, including rape and incest, except where the life of the mother is in clear and imminent danger.

      So yes, if the girl's life was not in clear and imminent danger, I would "force" her to carry to term and give birth.
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      • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        I'll answer it. It's not hard from a pro-life perspective. Yes, the 11 year old should not be permitted to have an abortion unless their life is truly at risk. A C-section delivery would be the least bad option for all parties (including the baby who did not ask to be conceived via rape). The rapist should have to turn over their life's savings to the child before entering prison, and it would be wholly appropriate for the government to ensure that the child has any educational, physical and mental health resources available.
        I tend to favor capital punishment for rapists, esp. rapists of children.
        Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

        Beige Federalist.

        Nationalist Christian.

        "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

        Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

        Proud member of the this space left blank community.

        Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

        Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

        Justice for Matthew Perna!

        Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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        • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          This is the tactic of the pro-abortion crowd - find a particularly heinous case and use that as an umbrella for all abortions.
          You mean as opposed to Trump’s rhetoric when he cynically plays to his Evangelical base: “Democrats are also pushing extreme late-term abortion, allowing children to be ripped from their mother’s womb right up until the moment of birth.”

          Typical Trump lie. Dems are not “pushing extreme late-term abortion” except for the most exceptional circumstances such as if the woman’s health or life is threatened or if the fetus would be unable to survive outside the womb.

          So, back to the question: do you support a first-term abortion as allowed under Roe v Wade and supported by the majority of the population, for the 11-year-old pregnant rape victim? You have yet to answer the question.
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
            I tend to favor capital punishment for rapists, esp. rapists of children.
            So, in your view, its OK to kill human beings once they're outside the womb?
            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
              So, in your view, its OK to kill human beings once they're outside the womb?
              Yes, that's exactly what NorrinRadd said - we should be able to indiscriminately kill human beings just because they were born.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                I tend to favor capital punishment for rapists, esp. rapists of children.
                It still amazes me that somebody like Tassman can post something so incredibly jackass stupid, comparing abortion to capital punishment.

                Capital Punishment:
                Throughout history, the definition of what constitutes murder has evolved. Modern legal systems group the crime of murder into several classifications, which depend on the specific circumstances of the crime. These classifications include:
                • Intentional Murder
                • Murder resulting from an intentional action meant to cause serious bodily harm
                • Murder resulting from extreme and wanton recklessness
                • Murder by an accomplice as an individual commits, attempts to commit, or flees from the commission of a felony
                • Murder of a police officer or criminal justice employee in the performance of their duties
                • In EVERY CASE, the person convicted of capital murder has been convicted of performing an act worthy of the punishment
                • Occasionally, an innocent person is put to death through wrong conviction for various reasons


                Abortion:
                The termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. Reasons for killing the baby include:
                • inconvenience to the mother, at no fault whatsoever of the baby
                • in RARE cases, through no fault of his own, the baby causes risk of death to the mother
                • through no fault of his own, in RARE cases, the baby exists as a result of rape, to which the baby was not a party
                • In no case EVER has the baby committed any crime or performed any action worthy of death
                • In EVERY case, an innocent person is put to death, usually for dubious reasons, never their own fault

                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Even in such a rare case like what we're talking about (and they are rare), pro-lifers acknowledge that there are no winners. It's not like anybody likes the idea of a child giving birth.
                  "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                  • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                    Even in such a rare case like what we're talking about (and they are rare), pro-lifers acknowledge that there are no winners. It's not like anybody likes the idea of a child giving birth.
                    Which is exactly why the culture of death has to single out such difficult and rare cases to justify the mass killing of the unborn.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      It still amazes me that somebody like Tassman can post something so incredibly jackass stupid, comparing abortion to capital punishment.
                      B-but the baby clump of cells was 'killing' her figure so she turned to the trusty old "womb broom"

                      I'm always still in trouble again

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                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        B-but the baby clump of cells was 'killing' her figure so she turned to the trusty old "womb broom"
                        Even as big a jackass as Tassman can be, I would never have supported his mother terminating him.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post

                          So, back to the question: do you support a first-term abortion as allowed under Roe v Wade and supported by the majority of the population, for the 11-year-old pregnant rape victim? You have yet to answer the question.
                          No...
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            So, in your view, its OK to kill human beings once they're outside the womb?
                            Yes if they are guilty of certain crimes. Or if they are trying to harm me or mine...
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              I'll answer it. It's not hard from a pro-life perspective. Yes, the 11 year old should not be permitted to have an abortion unless their life is truly at risk. A C-section delivery would be the least bad option for all parties (including the baby who did not ask to be conceived via rape). The rapist should have to turn over their life's savings to the child before entering prison, and it would be wholly appropriate for the government to ensure that the child has any educational, physical and mental health resources available.
                              Thank you. Inspiring.
                              "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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                              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                It still amazes me that somebody like Tassman can post something so incredibly jackass stupid, comparing abortion to capital punishment.

                                Capital Punishment:
                                Throughout history, the definition of what constitutes murder has evolved. Modern legal systems group the crime of murder into several classifications, which depend on the specific circumstances of the crime. These classifications include:
                                • Intentional Murder
                                • Murder resulting from an intentional action meant to cause serious bodily harm
                                • Murder resulting from extreme and wanton recklessness
                                • Murder by an accomplice as an individual commits, attempts to commit, or flees from the commission of a felony
                                • Murder of a police officer or criminal justice employee in the performance of their duties
                                • In EVERY CASE, the person convicted of capital murder has been convicted of performing an act worthy of the punishment
                                • Occasionally, an innocent person is put to death through wrong conviction for various reasons


                                Abortion:
                                The termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. Reasons for killing the baby include:
                                • inconvenience to the mother, at no fault whatsoever of the baby
                                • in RARE cases, through no fault of his own, the baby causes risk of death to the mother
                                • through no fault of his own, in RARE cases, the baby exists as a result of rape, to which the baby was not a party
                                • In no case EVER has the baby committed any crime or performed any action worthy of death
                                • In EVERY case, an innocent person is put to death, usually for dubious reasons, never their own fault

                                Fetuses are not deemed persons during the first trimester according to Roe v Wade, which is when the vast majority of abortions are performed. This is also the position of the majority of the US population (including Evangelicals 50 years ago) who support R v W.

                                Also, the woman has rights too, which you are blithely ignoring.

                                OTOH capital punishment DOES wantonly kill actual, sentient persons and there can be no justification for this in a civilized society.
                                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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