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Originally posted by Starlight View PostUm... so you're saying it would be a great system if humans were perfect and America wasn't America?
Pity the "great system" wasn't designed properly to handle real life.
Currently, we have a whole bunch of power-hungry self-centered politically divided people fighting for the lives of their own party instead of the good of the nation.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostRegardless of what Tribe has to say, a recent NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll found that 77 percent of respondents said the Supreme Court should uphold the landmark decision that established a woman's right to abortion in some form.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...old-roe-v-wade
Yet you seem to think you are entitled to enforce your minority, religion-based ideology upon everyone else via force of law.
Honest pro-choicers admit Roe v. Wade was a horrible decision
Tribe was only one of a number of legal scholars who point that out.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostAs the saying goes: "So much the worse for the facts."The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat has ZERO to do with whether Roe v Wade was actually a proper decision. And SCOTUS should not make decisions based on opinion polls.
What a jackass. I never said any such thing. I'm merely pointing out that, if they were honest, even liberals would agree that Roe v Wade was a bad decision.
Honest pro-choicers admit Roe v. Wade was a horrible decision
Tribe was only one of a number of legal scholars who point that out.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostActually the Liberals you cited agree with the decision,
in that it's the womens choice to make, they just don't agree with the reasoning given by the Court.
And that's just some Liberals,
there are plenty I'm sure who were in agreement with it.
Tassman loves to cite "because it's the law of the land" -- but it's ONLY "the law" because of a terrible abuse of judicial process. IF Roe v Wade were to be overturned, it would be on the basis of its flawed construction, not because of any opinion polls.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt's a great system - unfortunately in the hands of terribly flawed people in an incredibly politically divided nation.
Honestly, I think a lot of problems would be solved if it required 2/3 of the Supreme Court to strike down a law as unconstitutional rather than a simple majority. It wouldn't fully fix things (there were certainly very erroneous decisions striking down a law that had more than 2/3 on board), but it would at least protect a bit against it.
(oh, and before, "but Roe v. Wade was a 7-2 decision and would have passed"--maybe, but it would have been effectively overturned subsequently)
Originally posted by JimL View PostActually the Liberals you cited agree with the decision, in that it's the womens choice to make, they just don't agree with the reasoning given by the Court.
And that's just some Liberals, there are plenty I'm sure who were in agreement with it.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat has ZERO to do with whether Roe v Wade was actually a proper decision.
And SCOTUS should not make decisions based on opinion polls.What a jackass. I never said any such thing.
I'm merely pointing out that, if they were honest, even liberals would agree that Roe v Wade was a bad decision.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
Gee, I wonder why someone might be in favor of a decision that politically supports their preferred policies, regardless of the reasoning was good or not...
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, they agree with the outcome. The actual decision is cited as seriously flawed.
They agree that it was a horrible decision not based on legitimate judicial process.
Yes, the honest ones.
The outcome, sure - the process, no.
Tassman loves to cite "because it's the law of the land" -- but it's ONLY "the law" because of a terrible abuse of judicial process. IF Roe v Wade were to be overturned, it would be on the basis of its flawed construction, not because of any opinion polls.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOf course, it was a proper decision. Roe v Wade was made by a duly appointed body 'properly' fulfilling its role to adjudicate on the Constitutional issue brought before it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe decision is the outcome, even if the underlining reasoning was flawed.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCourt cases get overturned all the time on the basis of flawed reasoning, Jim."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View Post*cough* Plessy vs Ferguson
And to be clear, I'm not even pushing for RvW to be overturned, or holding out any serious hope that it will --- just pointing out that the weakness of RvW is that the decision itself was seriously flawed, and that in itself makes it vulnerable. And pretty much any honest liberal who knows anything about the law knows that and would admit it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostEGGzackly -- I think the liberals want so badly for Roe v Wade to stand that they'll argue anything, ignore any facts, or maybe they're just plain ignorant of the law.
And to be clear, I'm not even pushing for RvW to be overturned, or holding out any serious hope that it will --- just pointing out that the weakness of RvW is that the decision itself was seriously flawed, and that in itself makes it vulnerable. And pretty much any honest liberal who knows anything about the law knows that and would admit it."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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