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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    God's "chosen people" were those through whom the Messiah would come. Messiah has come, and there is now neither Jew nor Greek, male nor female, slave nor free; all are equal in Christ.

    Perhaps you shouldn't play word games - but that's just about your only schtick here.
    Ya beat me to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No - the point is that they didn't OPPOSE any belief system, and would not choose one as an official state religion.
    Oh, and here I had always thought of christianity as a belief system. As much as you want it to be, it's not a christian nation, pastor!


    How can you be such a moron and still type? Nobody is WANTING a "state religion"
    Oh, then you don't want teachers leading class with christian prayers in public schools or christian monuments placed in public places and buildings? Good for you, CP.


    -- but the "wall of separation" to which Jefferson referred was in direct response to government establishing an official religion -- it was NOT about keeping religion from influencing government.
    Oh, I see, so you would have no problem then with muslim influences in government, muslim lead prayer in public schools etc. No, I didn't think so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Oh, and here I had always thought of christianity as a belief system. As much as you want it to be, it's not a christian nation, pastor!



    Oh, then you don't want teachers leading class with christian prayers in public schools or christian monuments placed in public places and buildings? Good for you, CP.



    Oh, I see, so you would have no problem then with muslim influences in government, muslim lead prayer in public schools etc. No, I didn't think so!
    You're doing that Drama Queen thing today, Jimmy. Is there a little prissy dance that goes with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Oh, I see, so you would have no problem then with muslim influences in government, muslim lead prayer in public schools etc. No, I didn't think so!
    Yes I do have a problem, this country was not founded by Muslims, they have no historical or philosophical connection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Yes I do have a problem, this country was not founded by Muslims, they have no historical or philosophical connection.
    You were right, JimL is trolling now. He is just repeating and doubling down on his idiocy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You were right, JimL is trolling now. He is just repeating and doubling down on his idiocy.
    Ummm.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    At this point, I think he's ing --- he does that when he realizes he's really said something stupid, and just starts doubling down on it.


    I think Jimmy is so far out of his depth on this that he's just saying idiot stuff because he craves attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    So those liberals would be "conservative"? I think you're switching between two shades of meaning of "conservative". But no matter.I think this is two axes, not one.
    Why can't some-one both interpret the constitution according to its original meaning and want to change the constitution to something else via the amendment process?
    that is not what the progressives are doing with their "Living Document" Philosophy, Roy.

    You're suggesting all liberals progressives want to reinterpret the constitution while retaining the original wording, rather that amending the constitution. This seems unlikely.
    That is exactly what they want to do and have been doing all along with their "Living Document" philosophy they have. They have decided that you take the meaning the words have now days instead of the true context of what they meant back when the document was written to decide what the document is saying. In other words to them the Constitution says what they want it to say instead of what it does in the clear 17th century English it was written in. they refuse to read it in it's true context. In other words using their living Document philosophy when folks talk about the Gay 90s they not talking about the fun loving time of the 1890s that it refers to you need to say it is about homosexual rights activism in the 1990s.

    Or like RBG said in her opposition to the majority that we need to to look at how other countries do it and ignore the Constitution where the other countries don't agree with it. no talk about lets try to amend the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RumTumTugger View Post
    That is exactly what they want to do and have been doing all along with their "Living Document" philosophy they have. They have decided that you take the meaning the words have now days instead of the true context of what they meant back when the document was written to decide what the document is saying. In other words to them the Constitution says what they want it to say instead of what it does in the clear 17th century English it was written in. they refuse to read it in it's true context. In other words using their living Document philosophy when folks talk about the Gay 90s they not talking about the fun loving time of the 1890s that it refers to you need to say it is about homosexual rights activism in the 1990s.

    Or like RBG said in her opposition to the majority that we need to to look at how other countries do it and ignore the Constitution where the other countries don't agree with it. no talk about lets try to amend the Constitution.
    Exactly!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RumTumTugger View Post

    Or like RBG said in her opposition to the majority that we need to to look at how other countries do it and ignore the Constitution where the other countries don't agree with it. no talk about lets try to amend the Constitution.
    Ginsburg is hardly the only SCOTUS justice to speak approvingly of using foreign precedents in making determinations on what is and is not constitutional.

    Stephen Beyers has said that critics concerns over the practice should in effect be ignored (they "are beside the point") and that "the nature of the world itself that demands [that we look at foreign laws]" when deciding what is constitutional.

    But it isn't just the left.

    Sandra O'Connor wrote in favor of relying upon foreign sources of law in her dissenting opinion in Roper v. Simmons (2005) which dealt with capital punishment, and Anthony Kennedy wrote in the majority opinion for Roper v. Simmons:

    "The opinion of the world community, while not controlling our outcome, does provide respected and significant confirmation for our own conclusions."


    According to legal writer Jeffrey Toobin, starting in 2003, Kennedy became a leading proponent for the use of foreign and international law as an aid to interpreting the United States Constitution and figures that is the primary reason for his break with the conservatives on the court.

    And even one of the leading opponents to the idea on the SCOTUS, the late Antonin Scalia (who debated Beyers on the matter at American University Washington College of Law in 2005), has actually referenced foreign sources of law in support of his opinion at least twice (McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission and Coy v. Iowa -- 1995 and 1998 respectively).

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Yes I do have a problem, this country was not founded by Muslims, they have no historical or philosophical connection.
    That the founders of this country were mostly christian, or that they were the authors of the constitution, doesn't make this a christian country any more than if they were jews or muslims would make it a jewish or muslim country. The constitution is not a religious document.

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