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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    So killing millions of our own offspring is a culture of life...
    Do you remember when Planned Parenthood (which performs over 332,000 abortions a year) proclaimed that they are the Real™ pro-life group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And, since over half of the unborn are female, this 'women's right to choose' to kill their baby disproportionally targets future women!

    Strange cult, this culture of death.
    Yes, it is a strange cult. Some of the Southern Baptists seemed to like it:

    When the Roe decision was handed down, W. A. Criswell, the Southern Baptist Convention’s former president and pastor of First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas—also one of the most famous fundamentalists of the 20th century—was pleased: “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person,” he said, “and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed.” https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...#ixzz37ZUUJbXw
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    Yes, it is a strange cult. Some of the Southern Baptists seemed to like it:
    Ah, picking up on Tassy's hobbyhorse, eh? That's ancient news, Charles, but thanks for trying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ah, picking up on Tassy's hobbyhorse, eh? That's ancient news, Charles, but thanks for trying.
    Hobbyhorse? I wonder how you would even allow to use such words about the situation. Anyway, it seems the Southern Baptists have had a very hard time figuring out their opinion with regard to abortion:

    While Criswell’s earlier views may have been the most public, he wasn’t alone in holding them. Wayne Dehoney, SBC president for two terms in the 1960s and longtime pastor of Walnut Street Baptist Church in Louisville, Ky., described “a basic watershed between Protestant and Catholic theology on two questions — the morality of birth control, of which abortion is another form, and the question of when life begins.”

    “Protestant theology generally takes Genesis 2:7 as a statement that the soul is formed at breath, not conception,” Dehoney said.

    That’s what W.O. Vaught, pastor of Immanuel Baptist Church in Little Rock, Ark., told his most famous parishioner, President Bill Clinton.

    In his 2004 autobiography, My Life, Clinton remembered Vaught telling him that while abortion was usually wrong, the Bible did not condemn it. Vaught said the Bible teaches that life begins not at conception but when life has been “breathed into” a baby after delivery.

    “I asked him about the biblical statement that God knows us even when we are in our mother’s womb,” Clinton wrote. “He replied that the verse simply refers to God being omniscient, and that it might as well have said God knew us even before we were in our mother’s womb, even before anyone in our direct line was born.” https://baptistnews.com/article/evan...hicken-or-egg/
    A 1973 Baptist Press news analysis said there was no official Southern Baptist position on abortion. “Among 12 million Southern Baptists, there are probably 12 million different opinions,” observed BP Washington bureau chief Barry Garrett. https://baptistnews.com/article/evan...hicken-or-egg/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    Hobbyhorse?
    Hobbyhorse.

    Charles, Southern Baptist Churches are notoriously autonomous. We don't have a pope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    Hobbyhorse? I wonder how you would even allow to use such words about the situation. Anyway, it seems the Southern Baptists have had a very hard time figuring out their opinion with regard to abortion:
    I wasn’t aware that all Southern Baptist walked in lock step.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    I wasn’t aware that all Southern Baptist walked in lock step.
    This is where I really wonder if you read the post.

    A 1973 Baptist Press news analysis said there was no official Southern Baptist position on abortion. “Among 12 million Southern Baptists, there are probably 12 million different opinions,” observed BP Washington bureau chief Barry Garrett. https://baptistnews.com/article/evan...hicken-or-egg/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    This is where I really wonder if you read the post.
    And again, why are Southern Baptist required to walk in lock step? I don’t care what one opinion is, so why are you acting as though we should?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Hobbyhorse.

    Charles, Southern Baptist Churches are notoriously autonomous. We don't have a pope.
    And since you don't there should be of no concern that so many held the wrong views with regard to abortion, or exactly what is the point you are trying to make? So concerned with "the cult of death" in some cases while not so concerned in others?

    Baptist News Global has this interesting point to make:

    Everyone agrees that evangelicals, including Southern Baptists, were late to the pro-life cause, but not everyone agrees about the reason. https://baptistnews.com/article/evan...hicken-or-egg/
    But then again... You don't have a pope (and seemingly that is all the explanation you need).
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    And again, why are Southern Baptist required to walk in lock step? I don’t care what one opinion is, so why are you acting as though we should?
    I never claimed they should. Once again you answer indicates you simply did not read the post.
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