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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAt this rate, I figure Trump will "go down" just as Obama did - peacefully leaving office after 8 years. I can only hope he'll be replaced by someone less divisive.
I really don't think he's going to try to stay in office if voted out, though. It's not like any attempt to do so would succeed anyway."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Roy View PostSo instead of making a case against abortion etc that would persuade existing judges to adopt your views and change the laws, ...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'm going to stop you right there. Judges do not have power to "change the laws". They can only uphold a law, or strike it down. It is up to the legislature to make changes.
Getting rid of legalised abortion requires changing the laws. If judges couldn't change the laws, directly or indirectly, there'd be no point in voting in conservative judges.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostStriking down a law is changing the laws. So is setting or changing an interpretation, setting a precedent or reversing a previous strike-down.
Getting rid of legalised abortion requires changing the laws. If judges couldn't change the laws, directly or indirectly, there'd be no point in voting in conservative judges.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou're the one who supports and defends the treasonous con man, CP, not me.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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And to add to my previous post, if the legislature's intent can not be reasonably discerned then the law needs to be struck down and sent back to the legislature for clarification. It is not a judge's place to add their own "clarification".Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBy treasonous con man do you mean beat the person that the left wing elites selected for us because it was "her turn"? The guy that caused the left to unhinge to such a degree that they had to cobble together a bunch of fake rumors and unsubstantiated slurs in an attempt to overturn an election and kick out a duly elected president? THAT sort of treasonous conman?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo, I don't mean that kind, rogue, I mean Trump. That you and your ilk can't recognize a lying con man who is doing his best to undermine democratic institutions while weakening the NATO alliance in the service of his boss Vlad and Russia says a whole lot about you. That's what Trump meant when he said about you that , and I paraphrase, "I could shoot someone on 5th ave in broad daylight and my supporters wouldn't leave me." yep, that was you he was talking about, rogue.
If he can succeed in getting the other NATO members to start pulling their own weight rather than waiting for Uncle Sugar to do everything then NATO will be the stronger for it. If not NATO has turned into little more than a burdensome relic.
And maybe you should look up the word hyperbole.
The fact that you cannot avoid is that your entire belief that Trump is a traitorous conman hinges on something that was completely fabricated. Something that was cobbled together out of a bunch of fake rumors and unsubstantiated slurs in an attempt to overturn an election and kick out a duly elected president. And the irony is that you can't comprehend that this was the treasonous con that was foisted onto this country.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBy treasonous con man do you mean beat the person that the left wing elites selected for us because it was "her turn"? The guy that caused the left to unhinge to such a degree that they had to cobble together a bunch of fake rumors and unsubstantiated slurs in an attempt to overturn an election and kick out a duly elected president? THAT sort of treasonous conman?
This president pushes against very real and necessary boundaries that must be maintained if we are to maintain even a minimum level of integrity and if we are to keep the principle of the separation of powers intact. Boundaries agreed to long ago due to the same tendency to excess and abuse he revels in and seen historically in leaders across the word. Elements of excess like Trumps flaunting of his outright mockery of the emoluments clause and the basis for its existence. His refusal to yield to legal supenas. His acceptance of help from foreign power - however small you may have been convinced it was.
These are bad things. And they put us on a dark path away from the rule of law, and toward the potential for too much power in the hands of the president and too much corruption in the office of the president and an undoing of one of the primary founding principles of our government.
That no man or woman is capable of resisting the temptations of and inevitable and abuse of power. Therefore power is distributed across three orthoganal elements with different goals and sources that keep each other in check and that have the power to stop and push back against those that would go too far in the others.
Going too far
You see, there is a real reason that some violations of these priciples can exist and be tolerated. Because they don't go too far. So many times the argument to ignore or excuse trump on these issues is that others have done things that fit the same category, or that taken in isolation could be said to be 'the same'
The difference here is the total lack of respect and understanding of why they exist. And the brazen unwillingness to practice any level of self-control in their abuse. Trump goes too far. And in doing so endangers the constiution and the republic he has been elected to govern.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI'd call your comments here 'unhinged' in terms of their relation to reality.
The actual "treasonous conman" were those engaged in an attempt to overthrow a duly elected president through deliberate, duplicitous fraud and deceit.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostStriking down a law is striking down a law; it does not change the law in question but simply removes it from the books.
It's not so hard to understand.And as for interpreting the law is concerned, the whole point is to decide how a law applies to a case being heard, and not to "interpret" the law to mean something other than what is written, or create new applications for a law that were never intended by the legislature. Appointing conservative judges is to ensure that the former happens and not the latter.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIf someone is still clinging to the terminally discredited claim that Trump colluded with Putin then ipso facto they are unhinged or at the very least purposefully deluded.
The actual "treasonous conman" were those engaged in an attempt to overthrow a duly elected president through deliberate, duplicitous fraud and deceit.
Perhaps you could take the time to actually address the content of my post more in keeping with your demonstrated capacity for reasoned thought?
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 09-15-2019, 08:32 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThereby changing the laws (plural) by removing a law (singular).
It's not so hard to understand.Scalia and Rehnquist's decisions, particularly the ones relating to establishment of religion, refute that.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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