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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    So an AR-15 is not like other semi-automatic rifles because it is an AR-15. Circular logic at its best.
    And where did I EVER say anything like that? Did you read my reply, or infer something from outer space?

    And you didn't do much better with the second part essentially opening it up to describe the vast majority of semi-automatic rifles as being AR-15 like while you just said the AR-15 is distinctive.
    Something is blocking your comprehension rogue. I'll try one more time.

    I was using the term "Like an AR15" to describe a class of guns that need regulation. You asked me to define the difference between "an AR-15" and "like an AR-15". I thought so you could clarify what I meant when I said "like and AR-15" as a class of guns that need to be regulated. Were you looking for something else? I gave you exactly what I meant by saying "like an AR-15".

    Are you referring to sometime when I just said AR-15 vs 'like an AR-15'. I have always ONLY meant like an AR-15. If I was just talking about an AR-15 is was a simplification for convenience. I have never been talking about the AR-15 as a single focus. The AR-15 is one of the most popular rifles of that type, and it has been used a good bit in these shootings. But I'm always talking about in the context of it being a symbol of a class of rifle.

    What are you thinking odd about that? It is very simple. The AR-15, and rifles like it, have certain characteristics. I listed them. There are (or used to be anyway) lots of rifles that are NOT like an ar-15. A bolt action 30.06 single shot used for hunting deer would be one. A pump action 22. A pump action shot gun. I don't see any real need to regulate those in the same way I see there being a need to regulate rifles 'LIKE' an AR-15.

    So what IS your actual beef with what I've said rogue in terms of the use of the term AR-15?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Basically firearm technology is not allowed to improve or innovate at all. We need to go back to late 19th century technology, revolvers and rifles that have to be cocked for every shot.
    if 'improve' means capable of killing more people faster - not for civilian use. No need and it creates an unnecessary danger to the public.

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    He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    if 'improve' means capable of killing more people faster - not for civilian use. No need and it creates an unnecessary danger to the public.

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    And yet, we live in the safest time, in history. Despite the existence of such weapons. It’s almost as if you’re belief is based in emotion and not logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    And yet, we live in the safest time, in history. Despite the existence of such weapons. It’s almost as if you’re belief is based in emotion and not logic.
    Safest time in history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Safest time in history?

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    Less chance of dying from violence than any other time in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    Less chance of dying from violence than any other time in history.
    Let's suppose that is real and not just some sort of pro gun lobby spin, it doesn't mean we do not work to reduce the dangers that exist. The number and intensity of random mass shootings of innocent people in the USA is on the rise and has been for a while, and we need to work to turn that around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Let's suppose that is real and not just some sort of pro gun lobby spin, it doesn't mean we do not work to reduce the dangers that exist. The number and intensity of random mass shootings of innocent people in the USA is on the rise and has been for a while, and we need to work to turn that around.

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    Even The Huffington Post has said that much. You say, “But mass shootings are on the rise, we need to act!” Sure we do, but your proposed laws won’t help and simply will create an illusion of safety. You’re not going to pass laws until your safe, the first step is to take responsibility for your own safety and not to give into blind panic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    if 'improve' means capable of killing more people faster - not for civilian use. No need and it creates an unnecessary danger to the public.

    Jim
    I am just damn glad you are not the arbiter of the constitution or gun regulations, Jim. We would be stuck with muskets if you were in charge. Or paintball guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Let's suppose that is real and not just some sort of pro gun lobby spin, it doesn't mean we do not work to reduce the dangers that exist. The number and intensity of random mass shootings of innocent people in the USA is on the rise and has been for a while, and we need to work to turn that around.

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    You have a much better chance of dying from heart disease, cancer or a car accident than being killed by a gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Even The Huffington Post has said that much. You say, “But mass shootings are on the rise, we need to act!” Sure we do, but your proposed laws won’t help and simply will create an illusion of safety. You’re not going to pass laws until your safe, the first step is to take responsibility for your own safety and not to give into blind panic.
    On the other hand, if we just sit around on our hands doing nothing like you seem to prefer, if the trend continues, mass shootings will continue to rise and we will have done nothing.


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