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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    Like the Lurch . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I do.
    . . . but in reality I do not believe you agree with The Lurch's view of global warming. Do you accept that the primary cause of Global Warming is human.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    . . . but in reality I do not believe you agree with The Lurch's view of global warming. Do you accept that the primary cause of Global Warming is human.
    Why do we have to agree on everything just to like each other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    . . . but in reality I do not believe you agree with The Lurch's view of global warming.
    What does that have to do with liking the guy? He generally seems informed and polite, and I enjoy having him around.

    You jealous, bro?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    What does that have to do with liking the guy? He generally seems informed and polite, and I enjoy having him around.

    You jealous, bro?
    It has to do with the topic of this thread, and whether you are playing adversary two sides to justify your agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    It has to do with the topic of this thread, and whether you are playing adversary two sides to justify your agenda.
    No, I can like the Lurch and still disagree with him on some issues.

    And your nutty theory about me "playing two sides to justify my agenda", what, exactly, is my "agenda", oh great wizard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLurch View Post
    It's based on having interviewed multiple climate scientists over the past decade, and having read the peer reviewed literature on the topic extensively. I'm not sure why calling something false that runs counter to all that qualifies as "emotional".

    I have no doubt that you can find some quotes from people who will support your claim. I'm just pointing out that your claim is that they represent the majority of scientists; they simply don't. Look up scientists like Katharine Hayhoe, Gavin Schmidt, Andy Dessler, etc. and see what they're saying about mitigation.

    We've got multiple practical energy sources. Geothermal, wind, nuclear, solar (both PV and concentrating), and hydro are all largely carbon neutral, and at least two of those are not dependent on the sun. If we end up building those in excess to our needs, then processes that remove CO2 from the atmosphere could potentially be economically viable.

    As for this particular process, i'm not overly excited. Carbon monoxide isn't especially useful for producing fuel. It is, however, an important chemical feedstock that can be used in a huge range of processes, so this catalyst is potentially valuable. For fuel production, copper is a much better catalyst, as it can take CO2 directly to methanol or even ethylene. The issue is that the catalysts are relatively short lived before they get fouled by reaction byproducts, so most of the work has gone into trying to structure copper-continuing surfaces so that this is less of an issue.

    There's a rather extensive body of literature on it.

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...=1&oi=scholart
    The problem is it is not simply false, but different perspectives on the available evidence and the proposals to resolve global warning. The source I provided described the extreme measures to attain reasonable goals, and I believe it is unlikely that humanity can become united enough to achieve these goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    The problem is it is not simply false, but different perspectives on the available evidence and the proposals to resolve global warning. The source I provided described the extreme measures to attain reasonable goals, and I believe it is unlikely that humanity can become united enough to achieve these goals.
    I'm perfectly happy to accept that this is what you believe, and i wouldn't have argued against that. But of course, that wasn't what you'd originally said, which i'm more than happy to remind you of:
    Quote Originally Posted by shunyadragon View Post
    That is why the pervading view in science is our efforts to prevent global warming are futile, but part of the necessary process of adapting to global warming.
    You called your view "the prevailing view in science." Which it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No, I can like the Lurch and still disagree with him on some issues.
    Yes, Cow Poke and i are different people with different histories, and therefore undoubtedly have a range of differing opinions on things. But he's also been nothing but straightforward, honest, and friendly to me, and i've got great confidence we'd be able to discuss those differences respectfully whenever we chose to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No, I can like the Lurch and still disagree with him on some issues.

    And your nutty theory about me "playing two sides to justify my agenda", what, exactly, is my "agenda", oh great wizard?
    Yes. Your opposition to Global Warming caused by humans.
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    Frank

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