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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI do.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . but in reality I do not believe you agree with The Lurch's view of global warming. Do you accept that the primary cause of Global Warming is human."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post. . . but in reality I do not believe you agree with The Lurch's view of global warming.
You jealous, bro?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat does that have to do with liking the guy? He generally seems informed and polite, and I enjoy having him around.
You jealous, bro?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIt has to do with the topic of this thread, and whether you are playing adversary two sides to justify your agenda.
And your nutty theory about me "playing two sides to justify my agenda", what, exactly, is my "agenda", oh great wizard?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostIt's based on having interviewed multiple climate scientists over the past decade, and having read the peer reviewed literature on the topic extensively. I'm not sure why calling something false that runs counter to all that qualifies as "emotional".
I have no doubt that you can find some quotes from people who will support your claim. I'm just pointing out that your claim is that they represent the majority of scientists; they simply don't. Look up scientists like Katharine Hayhoe, Gavin Schmidt, Andy Dessler, etc. and see what they're saying about mitigation.
We've got multiple practical energy sources. Geothermal, wind, nuclear, solar (both PV and concentrating), and hydro are all largely carbon neutral, and at least two of those are not dependent on the sun. If we end up building those in excess to our needs, then processes that remove CO2 from the atmosphere could potentially be economically viable.
As for this particular process, i'm not overly excited. Carbon monoxide isn't especially useful for producing fuel. It is, however, an important chemical feedstock that can be used in a huge range of processes, so this catalyst is potentially valuable. For fuel production, copper is a much better catalyst, as it can take CO2 directly to methanol or even ethylene. The issue is that the catalysts are relatively short lived before they get fouled by reaction byproducts, so most of the work has gone into trying to structure copper-continuing surfaces so that this is less of an issue.
There's a rather extensive body of literature on it.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q...=1&oi=scholartGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe problem is it is not simply false, but different perspectives on the available evidence and the proposals to resolve global warning. The source I provided described the extreme measures to attain reasonable goals, and I believe it is unlikely that humanity can become united enough to achieve these goals.
Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThat is why the pervading view in science is our efforts to prevent global warming are futile, but part of the necessary process of adapting to global warming."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, I can like the Lurch and still disagree with him on some issues."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo, I can like the Lurch and still disagree with him on some issues.
And your nutty theory about me "playing two sides to justify my agenda", what, exactly, is my "agenda", oh great wizard?Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYes. Your opposition to Global Warming caused by humans.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostYes, Cow Poke and i are different people with different histories, and therefore undoubtedly have a range of differing opinions on things. But he's also been nothing but straightforward, honest, and friendly to me, and i've got great confidence we'd be able to discuss those differences respectfully whenever we chose to.
And ditto!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBecause Lurch doesn't have that "you're such a jackass" attitude.
And ditto!
"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
My Personal Blog
My Novella blog (Current Novella Begins on 7/25/14)
Quill Sword
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostTo be fair, it's hard to get all that across with just 'You rang?'...
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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