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Trump declares himself above the law.
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In just over 1 year, we will have elections that will determine Trump's fate as to his position as POTUS. Then, he'll be fair game for criminal prosecution.
I have a feeling that interest in his "illegal activities" will substantially decrease once he's out of office. That's what this whole thing is -- HATE TRUMP - KICK HIM OUT!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAnd his tax returns are going to reveal a crime, how?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostDoesn't matter whether they say those words. If the information that would show the president has violated the law can't be gathered, then no charges can be brought against him, either in the courts or in the congress (impeachment) and he is then effectively above the law.
JimSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIf it is impossible to gather evidence to show the President has done something against the law, then he is effectively above the law. Trump is taking this idea to the absolute extreme by refusing not only State subpoena's, but congressional subpeona's - thwarting the only remaining avenue of checking the Presidents power - impeachment. At this time, unless the courts act to rebuff him, President Trump has pushed the line to the point he is above the law. Yet MM (and others?) are DEFENDING the idea.
Our republic cannot survive if its fundamental principles are violated - especially the principle of separation of powers and checks and balances. Annoying as it might be when those checks get 'in the way' of what our particular party or group might want to happen, we can't yield or give in to the temptation to abandon them for convenience. We can not let any one entity of the three branches (especially the executive branch) be above the law or be without the capacity to be removed or stopped if they go rogue. That path leads to unchecked single person rule. And that would be very, very bad. Trump must yield to the congressional subpoena's, and if he won't, we the people must reject that move and take the steps necessary to let the white house know this is not acceptable and force him to comply. This is not a dictatorship or monarchy and we do NOT want it to head in that direction.
Jim
If he has cheated on his taxes, I am all for the IRS to go after him directly. He is being audited right now.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThe biggest problem with this case is that there is no probable cause to think a crime was ever committed. The state of New York is basically asking the court to approve a fishing expedition.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt is simply the intense hatred for Trump that causes this ill-founded attempt to equate him with Al Capone. I would have expected that from JimL.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt just amazes me that the hatred for Trump is so intense that it would cause otherwise highly intelligent people to jump to such unfounded conclusions.
Again, I completely understand why JimL would buy this crap - he has repeatedly demonstrated an profound ignorance of law and legal procedure.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHis tax returns wouldn't show that anyway. If he was doing something illegal in regards to his taxes, the IRS would be the department to catch that. This was just a backdoor way the democrats were trying to get his tax returns, YET AGAIN.
If he has cheated on his taxes, I am all for the IRS to go after him directly. He is being audited right now.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostExcept there is no reason to think any crimes were committed at all. Remember, this is effectively the same case that was recently dismissed by federal prosecutors. New York is trying to take another bite at the apple, effectively saying, "First let us gather the evidence, and then we'll tell you if there was a crime." Except even the President of the United States is entitled to due process. Just remember, if the legal system can trample on even the president's basic rights, then what's to stop them from trampling on yours?
In the end - the issue is the continued success at stopping the process that would keep him accountable. And the lack of understanding on your part and others of how dangerous allowing that to happen is.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 09-20-2019, 09:49 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Postperhaps in the case of the taxes - thought the State of NY seems to believe differently. Nevertheless, there is this little thing about the whistleblower. That actually concerns me a good bit more. That man is going to end up losing his job because the laws surrounding this very important provision in the law to protect them are being ignored and trampled upon. Further, Donald Trump will not be able to be held accountable for whatever he has been doing that was so obscene this man was motivated to try to blow the whistle.
In the end - the issue is the continued success at stopping the process that would keep him accountable. And the lack of understanding on your part and others of how dangerous allowing that to happen is.
Jim
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell his current audit is still going on. I am sure if they find something they will get him for it.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostHey Jimmy, weren't you the one arguing that Trump couldn't be prosecuted for any crimes and that is why Mueller couldn't charge him?My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostJimmy?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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