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Trump prohibits California's higher emissions standards
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostWhat would the reason be for this tax that's unique to electric cars, but not to gasoline cars?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou're paying the gasoline tax and putting a larger strain on the power grid.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostWhat would the reason be for this tax that's unique to electric cars, but not to gasoline cars?"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostMany if not most states use tax on gasoline to fund road projects and repairs. (Expansions, extensions, new roads etc.) An electric car uses these roads but does not contribute any towards it maintenance.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostWhat has Trump done to hurt the environment:
Well, that is a long list, but here is one that should be accessible to nearly everyone.
Remember the LA problems with Smog?
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Well that is one reason why California has stricter emissions requirements than the Federal Government mandates. And 24 other states have adopted those same standards. The impact is auto makers don't make cars with different emissions controls for different states, so the impact is all cars effectively meet these standards, giving cleaner air in all US cities, not just those states that follow the CA standards. But, of course, that does make cars a little more expensive than they would be otherwise.
Now Trump pushes back, says they can't do that anymore.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/23/opini...ger/index.html
Is this some petty personal beef with the Governor of CA? Probably.
Who wants to lower emission standards on vehicles? Do you want cars emitting MORE noxious gasses? No-one I know of.
So - who around here would defend this? And if so why.
Jim
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostAll the car batteries, of all the electrical cars, in the world, in a thousand years of production, could fit into a corner of the dumping grounds for coal sludge, or inside an insignificant spot of the collosal natural areas in the US that have been irreversibly obliterated by coal mining.
Why Coal Power is being given a pass, will never cease to amaze me.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostI won't have to, I'm getting an electrical car."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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We don't do it like that, Denmark has a strange system of taxing cars based on how much they cost. Its a horrible taxation system that everyone wants to move away from, but its gotten rather calcified. The only effect of this system has been to force people to drive old, cheap cars.
At any rate it'll still be an electrical car. No smog, no noise.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostWhy does California, being the ultra-liberal state that it is and the most public transit-friendly state there is, even need these regulations?
From wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_in_California
'activities of 39 million people' means:
It is not a trivial problem, and it is a very bad idea to disallow there rules controlling emissions. It's not a matter of trying to control any other state, it's a matter of preventing significant pollution problems in their state. It's the automobile industry that chooses to only build cars that meet their standards, which - in the long run - is good for all of us.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 09-23-2019, 05:12 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostAll the car batteries, of all the electrical cars, in the world, in a thousand years of production, could fit into a corner of the dumping grounds for coal sludge, or inside an insignificant spot of the collosal natural areas in the US that have been irreversibly obliterated by coal mining.
Why Coal Power is being given a pass, will never cease to amaze me.
I think an electric car would be nice to have, but I don't think it is good policy to cut off fossil fuel until we have a well-tested alternative. At this point in time, the governments make arbitrary laws on the improved gas mileage or on stopping fossil fuels. We really need a law against governments making arbitrary decisions.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostSmog can still get pretty bad in LA. That is almost 19 million people affected by the problem. The entire coast is prone to inversion due to the cool pacific waters and the mountains proximity to the coast. So the car exhaust can get trapped and just build and build.
From wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution_in_California
'activities of 39 million people' means:
It is not a trivial problem, and it is a very bad idea to disallow there rules controlling emissions. It's not a matter of trying to control any other state, it's a matter of preventing significant pollution problems in their state. It's the automobile industry that chooses to only build cars that meet their standards, which - in the long run - is good for all of us.
Jim
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Originally posted by seanD View PostLong story short: Cali needs enforced federal environmental regulation because liberals don't practice what they preach."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostIf people in the States were promoting thorium reactors as a focus of technology, I would have more confidence in the future plans. But I don't think it is logical to end fossil fuels. Any extreme cut in fossil fuels would mean that things like air transportation would become excessively priced.
I think an electric car would be nice to have, but I don't think it is good policy to cut off fossil fuel until we have a well-tested alternative. At this point in time, the governments make arbitrary laws on the improved gas mileage or on stopping fossil fuels. We really need a law against governments making arbitrary decisions.
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