Originally posted by Cow Poke
View Post
Announcement
Collapse
Civics 101 Guidelines
Want to argue about politics? Healthcare reform? Taxes? Governments? You've come to the right place!
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
Try to keep it civil though. The rules still apply here.
See more
See less
What Exact Crime Is Trump Guilty Of?
Collapse
X
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostMeta, honey, I did your homework -- I provided the cite specifically because I AM interested in the truth, not some pinko commie liberal twisting of it.
Comment
-
Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think this is almost inevitable for any Christian who gets deeply involved with politics regardless of their stance. It causes intense tribalism, which starts to compete with the tribalism Christians should have regarding their faith. It's why I don't think Adrift's argument that Christians should avoid voting altogether is totally insane, even though I'm not convinced.
Of course the same could be said for anything that gets your priorities out of whack, from video games to food to shopping to arguing on internet forums.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
Comment
-
Originally posted by seer View PostWho should have we voted for Meta? Baby killing Clinton? The left that hates this country, the Constitution and its founding?
Let me ask you a hypothetical, seer. Leaving the Constitution out of it, since it's interpretive and can always be amended, if you had only two options, to either live in a free democracy where abortion could be either legal or illegal, depending on the will of the free and democratic people, or in a dictatorship where abortion would always be illegal but dependent on the will of the dictator, which would you choose? Remember,you only have the two options, no alternatives.Last edited by JimL; 10-04-2019, 05:56 PM.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhat always amazes me, to this day, is the manner in which the hatred of Trump can override the love of Christ in some individuals who call themselves Christians*, that politics gets priority over fellowship.
*and let's be clear, I am NOT challenging their Christianity, but I am wondering about their fellowship.
Comment
-
Originally posted by JimL View Postlog meet eye.
I, on the other hand, can talk about lots of other things, like the love of Jesus, as well as bacon and ice cream and grand children, and my own daughter returning from slopping hogs to revel in the Joy of the Lord...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJimmy, honey, baby darlin' poopsiepie,
you are OBSESSED with your hatred of Trump, causing you to make false accusations, tell big 'uns, call names.... CONSUMED. You are becoming Trump Junior.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to sit back and do nothing."
I, on the other hand, can talk about lots of other things, like the love of Jesus, as well as bacon and ice cream and grand children, and my own daughter returning from slopping hogs to revel in the Joy of the Lord...Last edited by JimL; 10-05-2019, 07:23 AM.
Comment
-
Originally posted by JimL View PostAre you trying to come out of the closet or what, CP?
What's clear, JimmyPoo, is that, with practically every post, you're becoming just like the Trump you hate.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by JimL View PostWell perhaps you should stick to talking about Jesus and bacon then and stop defending an immoral, corrupt, undemocratic, dictator wannabe who is trying, with the aid of Russia, to overthrow your government and undermine democracy around the world.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
Comment
-
Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostCite the broken laws. We’ll wait.
https://campaignlegal.org/update/yes...-ukraine-favor
But the president's conduct raises much larger issues. Fischer believes that "the fact that the president used the power of his public office for his personal political gain is a matter that should be of immense concern to Congress regardless of whether campaign finance laws might be implicated."
Former FEC counsel Weiner, now with the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, agrees. He says there are relatively few instances where "we're confronted with a situation that the founders literally anticipated with some specificity."
But Weiner says, this instance could be one "where you actually have the threat of a president asking a foreign government to meddle in our election. So it's much bigger than just campaign finance law if in fact that is what happened."
"I think it is an extraordinary abuse of power. And yes, it's incumbent on Congress to investigate it," said Weiner.
Comment
-
Fischer believes that "the fact that the president used the power of his public office for his personal political gain is a matter that should be of immense concern to Congress regardless of whether campaign finance laws might be implicated."
That's not a fact, that's an unproven assumption about the President's motives.
The short version is that the Ukrainian government was so troubled by Biden's dirty deal that they spent almost two-years trying to get the US to look into it, but they were repeatedly stonewalled, first by the US Embassy in Kiev, and later by Federal prosecutors in New York who were given evidence hand delivered by a US attorney who was hired by Ukrainian officials. When that effort failed, the Ukrainian government had concerns about its relationship with the US, so they finally contacted the US State Department who contacted Rudy Giuliani who-- well, you know the rest. (Here's the long version, if you're interested.)
So Trump's motives very well could have simply been a desire to show the Ukrainian government that we are still on good terms and that the US takes their concerns seriously and is showing its good will by supporting and cooperating with the Ukraine's investigative efforts.
But of course it's in liberals' best interests to always assume the worst about Trump, so that's what they're instinctively going to do.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
Comment
-
Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post[box]When that effort failed, the Ukrainian government had concerns about its relationship with the US, so they finally contacted the US State Department who contacted Rudy Giuliani who-- well, you know the rest.
--Sam"I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"
Comment
-
By now, there should be no doubt that Trump will be impeached. It will likely happen in the new year.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
Comment
-
Originally posted by Sam View PostSomeone might point out the considerable weakness of a story in which the lynchpin is that the State Department decided, on its own accord, turned to ... Rudy Giuliani, who is neither a diplomat, law enforcement official, or even government employee.
--SamSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
Comment
-
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostRead the source I referenced as "the long version". It explains why Giuliani was contacted. And, no, it's not because of any wild eyed conspiracy theory you might be thinking of.
Comment
Related Threads
Collapse
Topics | Statistics | Last Post | ||
---|---|---|---|---|
Started by Cow Poke, Yesterday, 03:46 PM
|
0 responses
40 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by KingsGambit
Yesterday, 04:11 PM
|
||
Started by Ronson, Yesterday, 01:52 PM
|
1 response
29 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by Ronson
Yesterday, 10:46 PM
|
||
Started by Cow Poke, Yesterday, 09:08 AM
|
6 responses
58 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by RumTumTugger
Yesterday, 10:30 AM
|
||
Started by CivilDiscourse, Yesterday, 07:44 AM
|
0 responses
22 views
0 likes
|
Last Post Yesterday, 07:44 AM | ||
Started by seer, Yesterday, 07:04 AM
|
29 responses
197 views
0 likes
|
Last Post
by oxmixmudd
Yesterday, 02:59 PM
|
Comment