Trump suggests civil war should he be Impeached.

[oxmixmudd]

The facts are the facts. The effort to oust Shokin was international, it was part of cleaning up corruption as a precondition to aid for Ukraine. The same campaign you are trying to leverage as an excuse for Trump's withholding the current aid, but which has already been deemed sufficient when Trump acted to hold back the funds as leverage for a quid pro quo regarding Biden.

The facts also are that WHEN Biden was pushing to get Shokin removed, the company his son was involved with was NOT under investigation.

You are the one dealing in innuendo and unsupportable presumption based on 'belief'


Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

The facts are the facts. The effort to oust Shokin was international, it was part of cleaning up corruption as a precondition to aid for Ukraine. The same campaign you are trying to leverage as an excuse for Trump's withholding the current aid, but which has already been deemed sufficient when Trump acted to hold back the funds as leverage for a quid pro quo regarding Biden.

The facts also are that WHEN Biden was pushing to get Shokin removed, the company his son was involved with was NOT under investigation.

You are the one dealing in innuendo and unsupportable presumption based on 'belief'


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

I already showed why I believe he is not telling the truth. It is impossible to prove if a person is lying about how they feel. The fact is, Trump engaged in illegal activity - that is the problem. And it appears he will be impeached for it.

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

I already showed why I believe he is not telling the truth. It is impossible to prove if a person is lying about how they feel. The fact is, Trump engaged in illegal activity - that is the problem. And it appears he will be impeached for it.

Jim

[rogue06]

Not only did Hunter have absolutely nothing he could offer except for who his dad is, yesterday I heard that your typical oil/gas company board member gets paid around $300,000 per year which is only half what Hunter was paid for doing nothing.

[rogue06]

The facts are the facts. The effort to oust Shokin was international, it was part of cleaning up corruption as a precondition to aid for Ukraine.

i.e., quid pro quo.

[Mountain Man]

Well known.

"Well known" is not a synonymon for "true". Where's the proof that Shokin was actually corrupt?

From the article I posted:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/3785620002/

Source: above

The international effort to remove Shokin, who became prosecutor general in February 2015, began months before Biden stepped into the spotlight, said Mike Carpenter, who served as a foreign policy adviser to Biden and a deputy assistant secretary of defense, with a focus on Ukraine, Russia, Eurasia, the Balkans, and conventional arms control.

As European and U.S. officials pressed Ukraine to clean up Ukraine's corruption, they focused on Shokin's leadership of the Prosecutor General's Office.

"Shokin played the role of protecting the vested interest in the Ukrainian system," said Carpenter, who traveled with Biden to Ukraine in 2015. "He never went after any corrupt individuals at all, never prosecuted any high-profile cases of corruption."

© Copyright Original Source

Jim

So what? None of that proves corruption.

Also, your source falsely claims that "Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster" and that "the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company". Shokin is on record in a sworn affidavit saying that he was actively investigating Burisma and targeting its board members, including Hunter Biden, when Papa Joe extorted the Ukrainian government to fire him.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...den-shakedown/

[JimL]

My dear Jimmy, the company that Hunter Biden was working for was under investigation. What was it for?

For one thing, it doesn't matter, Trump using taxpayor money and presidential influence to pressure a foreign country to open an investigation into a political rival is in itself unconstituional. A quid pro quo isn't even necessary. Hunter Biden is not guilty of anything unless he is indicted and found to be guilty of something, which he hasn't been, although the story has been debunked long ago. But regardless, as stated above, it doesn't matter, Trump abused his power, period.

[metacrock]

He is just expressing the tension being created by the witch hunt. I don't think the Dems in Congress care an iota about having freedom in America.

I suspect that you are not wishing as much for revolution as the Dems in Congress.

I'm not sure who you are trying to win over to your view point when your view diverges so much from the people you are seeking to respond here.

Do you have a game plan here?

that's such a ridiculous attitude;s clear you don;t care about freedom, You are willing to sell the country out just to keep the political party you don;t like out,why?so you can be rich? you think the repubs will make you rich?

[metacrock]

For one thing, it doesn't matter, Trump using taxpayor money and presidential influence to pressure a foreign country to open an investigation into a political rival is in itself unconstituional. A quid pro quo isn't even necessary. Hunter Biden is not guilty of anything unless he is indicted and found to be guilty of something, which he hasn't been, although the story has been debunked long ago. But regardless, as stated above, it doesn't matter, Trump abused his power, period.

True but why are we even comparing the two? It;not mutually exclusive,if Biden did wrong we can punish both,But we have to stop Trump for Democracy.

[metacrock]

"Well known" is not a synonymon for "true". Where's the proof that Shokin was actually corrupt?


So what? None of that proves corruption.

Also, your source falsely claims that "Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster" and that "the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company". Shokin is on record in a sworn affidavit saying that he was actively investigating Burisma and targeting its board members, including Hunter Biden, when Papa Joe extorted the Ukrainian government to fire him.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...den-shakedown/

we do not have to prove corruption at this point ,We only have to justify investigation it does dot hat,

[Bill the Cat]

For one thing, it doesn't matter, Trump using taxpayor money and presidential influence to pressure a foreign country to open an investigation into a political rival is in itself unconstituional. A quid pro quo isn't even necessary. Hunter Biden is not guilty of anything unless he is indicted and found to be guilty of something, which he hasn't been, although the story has been debunked long ago. But regardless, as stated above, it doesn't matter, Trump abused his power, period.

There was no pressure. Zelinski said so himself.

[Mountain Man]

There was no pressure. Zelinski said so himself.

Yeah, but that doesn't fit the liberal narrative, so he's obviously lying.

[JimL]

There was no pressure. Zelinski said so himself.

And do you know why he said "I didn't feel pushed" while sitting next to Trump at a news public conference setting? Because he was under pressure! He needs the President of the U.S. good will, of course he's not going to point the finger at Trump.

[JimL]

Yeah, but that doesn't fit the liberal narrative, so he's obviously lying.

No, he said what he felt he had to say in the interests of his country. Doesn't matter anyway. What Zelensky may or may not have felt is irrelevant.