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    Volkers texts make it clear the investigation was a precondition

    All the spin from the diehard TWEB Trump supporters is moot. Volker's texts make it clear Trump was all about withholding aid, conversations, and visits over the issue of Ukraine investigating issues associated with 2016 and Burisma (biden).

    Consider this text on the day of the call:

    Volker: Good Lunch, Thanks! Heard from white house, Assuming President Z convinces Trump he will investigate/"get to the bottom of what happened in 2016" we will nail down date for visit to Washington. Good luck, see you Tomorrow, kurt

    and BEFORE the call:

    Had breakfast with Rudy this morning - teeing up call with Yermak monday. Must have helped. Most important is for Zelensky to say he will help with investigation - and address any personnel issues - if there are any

    Note that later (8/10) he calls for a REBOOT of US/UKraine relations and mentions investigation of Burisma specifically

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/polit...ker/index.html



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    Show the quotes where:

    Aid was promised if the Ukraine agreed to investigate.

    Also:

    Cite the broken laws.

    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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    “I think potus really wants the deliverable”

    This + the draft document that Ukrainian diplomats drafted to the specification of Giuliani is, for any reasonable universe, game over. Explicit confirmation that foreign policy (presidential meetings, aid) was being used as leverage for the President's political campaign messaging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    “I think potus really wants the deliverable”

    This + the draft document that Ukrainian diplomats drafted to the specification of Giuliani is, for any reasonable universe, game over. Explicit confirmation that foreign policy (presidential meetings, aid) was being used as leverage for the President's political campaign messaging.

    --Sam
    Or you’re reading what you want to hear and believe, that best confirms your biasness.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Or you’re reading what you want to hear and believe, that best confirms your biasness.

    2019.09.01

    Bill Taylor: "Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?"

    Gordon Sondland: "Call me"

    ------------

    2019.09.09

    Bill Taylor: "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Or you’re reading what you want to hear and believe, that best confirms your biasness.
    There is no bias. It is clear that zelenski had to agree to investigations that support Trumps political goals. Mention is made directly of Burisna, and there is great concern about the connection between aid being withheld and the investigations. All things told to us through other channels and which you and MM tried to say were 'tinfoil hat conspiracy theories'

    As Sam said, this opportunity for twisted spin in support of Trump in this is over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    2019.09.01

    Bill Taylor: "Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?"

    Gordon Sondland: "Call me"

    ------------

    2019.09.09

    Bill Taylor: "As I said on the phone, I think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign."


    The texts, which were turned over to Congress by Kurt D. Volker, the State Department’s former special envoy for Ukraine, come from a series of early September exchanges. They appear to show a dispute among American diplomats over whether the president was trying to use security aid or a White House meeting with the country’s new leader as leverage to pressure Ukraine to dig up dirt on a leading political rival — a charge at the heart of the impeachment investigation.

    One message, written by William B. Taylor Jr., the top American diplomat in Ukraine, suggested that Mr. Trump was holding back the package of military aid to Ukraine as a bargaining chip to influence the country’s president to do his political bidding.

    “As I said on the phone, I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign,” Mr. Taylor wrote on Sept. 9 to Mr. Volker and Gordon D. Sondland, the United States ambassador to the European Union.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/u...peachment.html


    Key term, dispute. They were arguing about if that was going on, but nothing to indicate it came directly from Trump’s lips.

    Context, it’s what’s for breakfast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    There is no bias. It is clear that zelenski had to agree to investigations that support Trumps political goals. Mention is made directly of Burisna, and there is great concern about the connection between aid being withheld and the investigations. All things told to us through other channels and which you and MM tried to say were 'tinfoil hat conspiracy theories'

    As Sam said, this opportunity for twisted spin in support of Trump in this is over.


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    No it isn’t, there’s lots of gaps of knowledge in there that you’re filling in to fit your belief system.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    So Sam,

    What was said on the phone call?

    Yet again, you’re filling in context you want to hear because it fits your belief system.
    Bill Taylor made explicitly clear what was said on the phone call.

    The "punch back FAST" strategy of crisis management/denial doesn't work well when a senior diplomat is putting what's going down on record.

    --Sam
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Bill Taylor made explicitly clear what was said on the phone call.

    The "punch back FAST" strategy of crisis management/denial doesn't work well when a senior diplomat is putting what's going down on record.

    --Sam
    I changed my post to an article. Read it, it was a dispute about if it was going on, not direct orders from the president.

    AKA, it’s an opinion from a US official, not a fact.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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