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    'But but but there is bipartisan support for this group infamous for terrorism, kidnapping, assassinations, targeting civilians, forcibly recruiting child soldiers, drug trafficking, suicide bombing, and human trafficking. '
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    I am sure that there is someone out there already penning Trump’s political obituary. It’s pretty awful. When he goes, he will hand back a banana republic. It is always the case that Democrats repair damage done by Republicans. You would think the voters would have realized this much by now.





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    Russia working with Turkey to carve out bits of Syria. Putin says thanks Yanks (suckers).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    I would point out that there are two posters in this thread, NorrinRadd and seer, whom I have seen posting consistently in support of Trump, who nonetheless do not agree with this development. I would add Terraceth due to his "amen" on the former, but this is only a suggestion, and I do not know his posting history of support or opposition to Trump's actions in general.

    More substantively, the same should be acknowledged for Lindsey Graham.

    But more directly, it is not reasonable in my view to continue to defend an initial judgment at odds with Rogue's direct denial of support in this instance. The proper course, in my view, is to gracefully admit to being wrong, learn from the experience, and move on.
    I agree with you.

    My reply had nothing to do with saying I think rogue supports this action. I thought I had already acknowledged that. I already recognize many in this thread have said they do not support this action. If anyone thinks otherwise, I'll be clear here. I accept rogues declaration he is against it.

    The post you replied to was a response to being ragged on for assuming rogue's initial post supported this action before he made clear his position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    Russia working with Turkey to carve out bits of Syria. Putin says thanks Yanks (suckers).
    Pretty much.

    Hard to know why Trump is so willing to play into what Putin wants (divisions with NATO etc). But there is no scenario where Trump takes this specific action for the overall benefit of the USA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    'But but but there is bipartisan support for this group infamous for terrorism, kidnapping, assassinations, targeting civilians, forcibly recruiting child soldiers, drug trafficking, suicide bombing, and human trafficking. '
    And where has Trump indicated this is the reason for his action? And when has he tried to make a case in Congress or the Senate that our support of them is misguided for these reasons? Where has he first put pressure on the Kurds to change their ways or face consequences? They are our allies, and we are abandoning our commitment to them without trying to work with them to change these elements if they in fact are real. They have lost over 10,000 to fighting on our behalf. And these 'reason' are being offered as excuses after the fact.



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    Franklin Graham, of all people, has pushed back against Trump on this. I think we finally have an answer to the question as to whether there is any line that would cost Trump evangelical support short of full support for Roe v Wade or nuking Israel. Indeed, there is.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Franklin Graham, of all people, has pushed back against Trump on this. I think we finally have an answer to the question as to whether there is any line that would cost Trump evangelical support short of full support for Roe v Wade or nuking Israel. Indeed, there is.
    Why is anything Franklin Graham says slightly relevant? He's been making a mockery of his last name for at least 15 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    Why is anything Franklin Graham says slightly relevant? He's been making a mockery of his last name for at least 15 years.
    You don't think he's relevant in the context of gauging how evangelicals writ large view Trump?

    And, yeah, I know what you're doing with this post. But he's actually personally connected with the president, unlike Robertson.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post
    I would point out that there are two posters in this thread, NorrinRadd and seer, whom I have seen posting consistently in support of Trump, who nonetheless do not agree with this development. I would add Terraceth due to his "amen" on the former, but this is only a suggestion, and I do not know his posting history of support or opposition to Trump's actions in general.
    Gorsuch was an incredible pick for a Supreme Court justice. Kavanaugh was okay. Beyond that, there's not that much I have to praise Trump for. So a few really good decisions, but a lot of really dumb ones.

    It's sort of telling that the best decisions he's made (judicial appointments) are ones where the choices were narrowed down by people beforehand who actually knew what they were doing. Anyone can make a smart decision if the only options given to them are smart ones. I suppose there's intelligence in listening to people who know what they're doing in this regard, but Trump seems incapable of doing that in any other issue.

    I don't really post that much in regards to Trump because I've just grown apathetic about him--I don't even have a real opinion on the whole Ukraine mess. I already know I'm not voting for him or whoever the Democrats nominate (my choice will almost certainly be Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party--as a write-in, if he doesn't end up on my state's ballot), there's no Senator election in my state in 2020, and my district is so liberal that the Republicans didn't even bother running anyone in 2018. So why does it matter to me what he did in the Ukraine? It won't affect who I vote for in any way, or much of anything in my actual life. Beyond that, I'm just tired of it all, tired of stupid attacks on Trump and tired of Trump doing stupid things.
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