Slaughtering our Kurdish allies

[Tassman]

A true christian wouldn't celebrate the execution/murder of a handcuffed Kurdish POW. Demi is an all around fraud (remember the fake accent) disseminating divisive propaganda.

It isn't easy for an American president to advance the interests of Russia, Syria, Iran, and ISIS - all at the same time - through a single decision. Donald Trump managed to find a way.

[firstfloor]

Just reading this from the BBC news website; Putin wins again:

I remember Trump saying that you would get fed up winning; something about enough winning already?

[JimL]

It isn't easy for an American president to advance the interests of Russia, Syria, Iran, and ISIS - all at the same time - through a single decision. Donald Trump managed to find a way.

One really has to wonder what it is that Putin has on Trump, or is Trump simply a traitor by ideology?

[oxmixmudd]

It isn't easy for an American president to advance the interests of Russia, Syria, Iran, and ISIS - all at the same time - through a single decision. Donald Trump managed to find a way.

Isn't it though! Making Russia Great Again seems to be Trumps new motto. From enhancing their ability to influence our elections through denial and indifference to our intelligence community, to undermining the NATO alliance, to showing the Ukraine how corruption is really done while holding back funds so Russia can gain ground, to making Russia the key player in the middle east.

Quite a set of accomplishments. Truly unique among american presidents.

Jim

[Juvenal]

This is showing up on multiple news platforms, was originally acquired by Fox News, and has been confirmed. Meanwhile, the State Department is in meltdown, Giuliani's lawyer has quit, his two companions in the Ukraine imbroglio have been arrested, administration officials ordered to defy the impeachment inquiry are being granted "friendly" subpoenas and testifying anyway, the House has cast an overwhelming bipartisan vote to censure the president ...

At this point, I'm not sure Trump is going to last long enough to face an impeachment trial.

[Tassman]

One really has to wonder what it is that Putin has on Trump, or is Trump simply a traitor by ideology?

It's obviously some very bad kompromat, to make Trump so subservient to the enemy. No doubt we will find out one day...when Trump joins his associates in jail.

[firstfloor]

[JimL]

It's obviously some very bad kompromat, to make Trump so subservient to the enemy. No doubt we will find out one day...when Trump joins his associates in jail.

I'm thinking he has in mind to seek asylum in Russia once he sees the jig is up.

[rogue06]

There are two issues with this, IMO. First, the U.S. is (once again) showing allies that we cannot be trusted, and will turn our backs on them as soon as it is beneficial to us. Second, previous "allies" in the middle east that we subsequently abandoned have had a tendency to become the terrorists that then attack us.

So much for keeping America safe, America First, MAGA! Sometimes, putting "America First" means being a good neighbor, having our allies backs, and being a trusted member of the world community. The world isn't just laughing at us; they are systematically shifting their alliances to other countries.

Indeed, we have a long history of cutting allies loose to drift on their own the moment they're either no longer useful or they get in some sort of trouble. Say what you want about the Russians, through thick or thin, if you're allied with them they will have your back. And don't think other countries don't notice.

While I certainly don't want us to spend countless decades in the Middle East trying to get folks who are bound and determined to kill each other to play nice, the fact is that the Kurds did most of the heavy lifting for us in eliminating ISIS, and Trump shouldn't have pulled out leaving them to the tender mercy of the Turks.

And yet, OTOH, FWIU, a large portion of the Kurdish forces belong to a group (or are closely affiliated with them) that the U.S. government has labeled a terrorist organization so it looks like we were only ever going to be temporary allies anyways -- allies of convenience. But even if that's the case we shouldn't just throw them to the wolves when they're no longer as useful if for no other reason that such actions will make it all the harder to form coalitions and alliances in the future. And if ISIS starts to reform who are we going to turn to for help in dealing with them?

It may have been a campaign promise on Trump's part but he certainly handled this in a ham-fisted way.

[rogue06]

This is showing up on multiple news platforms, was originally acquired by Fox News, and has been confirmed. Meanwhile, the State Department is in meltdown, Giuliani's lawyer has quit, his two companions in the Ukraine imbroglio have been arrested, administration officials ordered to defy the impeachment inquiry are being granted "friendly" subpoenas and testifying anyway, the House has cast an overwhelming bipartisan vote to censure the president ...

At this point, I'm not sure Trump is going to last long enough to face an impeachment trial.

Reminiscent of the powerful warnings that Obama gave Syria. You know that laughable non-existent "red line." Neither are even worth the paper the message was written on.

[Charles]

Reminiscent of the powerful warnings that Obama gave Syria. You know that laughable non-existent "red line." Neither are even worth the paper the message was written on.

Whataboutism.

[rogue06]

Whataboutism.

Typical, mindless knee-jerk hypocritical Nannyism.

I was criticizing both of them. Someone with an IQ higher than a cup of tepid tea would have understood that simply by reading my statement how "Neither are even worth..."

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[seer]

Whataboutism.

BS - the point is your hypocrisy, none of you said boo when Obama allowed Syria rebels to get gassed or when he removed our troops from Iraq and allowed the rise of ISIS...

[Charles]

BS - the point is your hypocrisy, none of you said boo when Obama allowed Syria rebels to get gassed or when he removed our troops from Iraq and allowed the rise of ISIS...

That is simply wrong, so you are calling me a hypocrite based on ignorance and seemingly in order to change focus. I did not even post here back then but I certainly made clear in other contexts what I thought about that. Stay on topic and avoid ad hominems would be my advice before you make more false statements.

[Charles]

Typical, mindless knee-jerk hypocritical Nannyism.

I was criticizing both of them. Someone with an IQ higher than a cup of tepid tea would have understood that simply by reading my statement how "Neither are even worth..."

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Whataboutism is not a denial that both did it... It usually takes the form of pointing to others who did the same. So a misunderstanding of the concept and quite many personal attacks seems to be what you provide.