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    George Will wrangles with God, the conservative sensibility ...



    I went looking for this after seeing an excerpt featuring Trump (beginning at 10:15) in a Post op/ed, but the full video is a refreshing reminder of how conservatism no longer finds a reflection in the Republican Party.

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    George Swill
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    George Swill
    yeah - that is about all one could expect from you. He is an intellectual of integrity, and a strongly conservative one at that. But since he disagrees with you, he has suddenly become stupid.

    Such is the curse of commitment to a man rather than truth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
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    Ad hominem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post


    I went looking for this after seeing an excerpt featuring Trump (beginning at 10:15) in a Post op/ed, but the full video is a refreshing reminder of how conservatism no longer finds a reflection in the Republican Party.
    I have a great deal of respect and admiration for Will and am amazed at his encyclopedic knowledge of baseball, but I obviously don't always agree with him.

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim B. View Post
    Ad hominem
    Yeah, it is, but I thought it was funny.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Could the video have injected the word 'conservative' for normal people any more times? How nice of the Washington Post to set up a quaint little corner where the majority voting population can hear things closer to truth.

    I agree with the interest in returning to the intent of the Founding Fathers of the country. It was useful to hear the contrast of the original US concept of natural rights (from God) contrasted to the European concept of rights being given by government. But Will fails to take into account how the Republicans for the last 30 or so years have been ineffectual against the progressive/communist influences. The conservative stance seemed to be unprepared to confront the actions of progressives -- sort of the innocence of doves while lacking the cleverness of serpents.

    Will talks about Trump acting in a progressive mentality concerning the role of president. This may be right in the ideal sense. I agree that the presidency is supposed to be a boring job working in the background, but, hopefully, Trump is able to use this current significance of the presidency to throw a wrench into the corrupt gears of Congress.

    Now, as a second thought, I would back off some from Will's concept of the presidency as a background role. The separation of powers is intended to limit the powers of each division of the government. So, Trump, as part of the execution of government powers, can prevent or reduce the actions of the executive branch. This prevention or reduction of action is the balance against an overreaching Congress. The people involve in the executive branch have to have a degree of assent to follow the edicts of Congress --if Congress loses the cooperation, then the laws of Congress also become ineffective.

    Will's book may be helpful to eventually restore direction to the country, but, based on the interview, he wasn't providing a pathway back. How do we control the wolves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post


    I went looking for this after seeing an excerpt featuring Trump (beginning at 10:15) in a Post op/ed, but the full video is a refreshing reminder of how conservatism no longer finds a reflection in the Republican Party.
    That was very interesting. Thanks for posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikewhitney View Post
    Will's book may be helpful to eventually restore direction to the country, but, based on the interview, he wasn't providing a pathway back. How do we control the wolves?
    Will is "old school" and still thinks compromise is viable in today's political climate. He doesn't seem to realize just how far apart liberalism and conservatism have become.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juvenal View Post


    I went looking for this after seeing an excerpt featuring Trump (beginning at 10:15) in a Post op/ed, but the full video is a refreshing reminder of how conservatism no longer finds a reflection in the Republican Party.
    Arguing with Will is always an exercise in caution but I think one would necessarily have to take issue with his definitions of conservatism and progressivism, starting with the idea of conservatism as a fan of cosmic chaos and ending with "Only I can fix it" being the rallying cry of progressivism.

    At its heart, it's simply a denial of minority voices: the fundamental freedom of the individual that Will casts as the heart of conservatism was rarely provided to minorities during the time period Will nostagalizes. Indeed, the freedom of such minorities was often depicted, as now, as a danger to the traditional order that conservatism was to protect. So when Will talks about government "getting out of the way" of the 320 million people "busy running the country", I can't really think of a time when this was something that conservatism -- especially the brand of conservatism that Will has lived most of life supporting -- applied to people outside of a relatively small group.

    I have been saying for several years, though, that the conservative movement's response to Donald Trump, as soon as he becomes perceived as a liability, will be that he was a New York liberal who hijacked the pure conservative movement and snuck in big government policy. In this, Will's voice will pave the way.

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    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" — Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"


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