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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Not if you lie a nation into a war and reintroduce torture, no. I suspect we wouldn't make good neighbors.
    Leaving out Bush as an extreme example (him being a former president), would or could you be friends with right-wingers in general?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Sam has the extraordinary gift of seeing darkness where others see a beautiful sunrise.

    By the way --- the sunrise at my house this morning...

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    (Sorry about the slightly "off level" - I'm on drugs due to my knee)

    ~200,000 Iraqi civilians won't see that sunrise. People who died at the hands of American torturers won't see it. That should have some weight.

    --Sam
    "I wonder about the trees. / Why do we wish to bear / Forever the noise of these / More than another noise / So close to our dwelling place?" Robert Frost, "The Sound of Trees"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Not if you lie a nation into a war and reintroduce torture, no. I suspect we wouldn't make good neighbors.
    Well I personally wouldn't have a problem with watering boarding a Jihadist if I thought it would save your life or the lives of fellow Marines. And I don't think Bush lied, I believe, they really believed, there were still WMD in Iraq.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    ~200,000 Iraqi civilians won't see that sunrise. People who died at the hands of American torturers won't see it. That should have some weight.

    --Sam
    And Ellen NOT sitting with Bush at a ballgame would have prevented that.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Well I personally wouldn't have a problem with watering boarding a Jihadist if I thought it would save your life or the lives of fellow Marines. And I don't think Bush lied, I believe, they really believed, there were still WMD in Iraq.
    As did Bill Clinton and others before it became "Bush lied, people died".
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    Two things right quick....

    We've gone 15 posts without anybody mentioning:

    A) bacon
    2) Trump
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zymologist View Post
    Leaving out Bush as an extreme example (him being a former president), would or could you be friends with right-wingers in general?
    Man, where I live, how could one not?

    It depends on the definition of "right-wingers", of course, but I've got friends who work or worked on major Republican campaigns and probably a solid plurality of my friend group are right-leaning or right-wing. I often tell the story of my old church friend (now deceased) and our annual hours-long discussion when I'd bring a pie over and try to dissuade him from views like "I'd turn 'em [Arab countries] into a sea of glass."

    It's very rare to find a politically left-leaning or even left-wing person with few right-leaning or right-wing friends. The world is just too complicated for that.

    But actions matter. And Bush's actions matter a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And Ellen NOT sitting with Bush at a ballgame would have prevented that.
    Holding those who committed these atrocities accountable -- even socially -- would probably go a long way to preventing it in the future. Right now, torture and war are just things that powerful people can do and not risk getting uninvited to a Hamptons social.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    ~200,000 Iraqi civilians won't see that sunrise. People who died at the hands of American torturers won't see it. That should have some weight.

    --Sam
    And how many would have died in these years if Saddam was still in power? And how many were tortured to death?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Man, where I live, how could one not?

    It depends on the definition of "right-wingers", of course, but I've got friends who work or worked on major Republican campaigns and probably a solid plurality of my friend group are right-leaning or right-wing. I often tell the story of my old church friend (now deceased) and our annual hours-long discussion when I'd bring a pie over and try to dissuade him from views like "I'd turn 'em [Arab countries] into a sea of glass."

    It's very rare to find a politically left-leaning or even left-wing person with few right-leaning or right-wing friends. The world is just too complicated for that.

    But actions matter. And Bush's actions matter a lot.

    --Sam
    I wasn't contesting either of these at all, just trying to get the thread back to the general principle and off of the example.
    I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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