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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI know it might surprise you, but even Nixon can have a few good points. Your black/white thought process is showing again.
The black/white thought process assumes that because I an appalled at what I find bad in Trump, that I do not see that there is a mix of good and bad in him as well.
The only black/white thought process happening here pix is in your mind, and it is aimed at me. What I see in Trump that is bad creates the response in me it does because:
1) it is dangerous - as we see in the fact he has been trying to get foreign countries involved in our elections, undermining our sovereignity, and as we see in his abandonment of our allies in the war on ISIS.
2) many good people, many of them Christians, refuse to take a position that acknowledges how bad the bad things about Trump are. So that the bad things Trump is doing are being excused before the world by the Evangelical Christian church, which paints the entire Evangelical church with a great big red 'H' for Hypocrites. Hypocrites that condemn homosexuality or other sexual sins, but who excuse gross immorality of nearly all kinds in their leader of choice.
He lies, cheats, breaks laws, commits adultery, regularly undermines or cuts of those that have been loyal to him, has no respect for the constitution or the rule of law, is a bonafide Narcisist of the worst kind, care nothing about ripping children out of the arm of parents if it will let him keep a campaign promise, mocks the disabled, takes personal jabs at individual citizens from the office of the presidency, attacks the personal appearance of the wives of his opponenents, and on and on and on, and yet Evangelical Christians as a group excuse him and claim him as their own. The spend hours and hours on websites trying to pretend he really isn't doing these things and it's just the MSM making things up.
What is different about Trump over Obama, or Bush, or Clinton, or Nixon, or any other president is the extent to which the Church of Jesus Chist is willing to prostitute itself on his behalf.
THAT is why Trump is so bad in my eyes. Because he has made the Church his Harlot of Choice. And the Church is all for it.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThus trying to get Sam to understand multiple predictions, got it wrong, continues to be a waste of time.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostThe black/white thought process is thought process that things because I rank a person as 'among the worst' that I would not recognize there would be both good and bad.
The black/white thought process assumes that because I an appalled at what I find bad in Trump, that I do not see that there is a mix of good and bad in him as well.
The only black/white thought process happening here pix is in your mind, and it is aimed at me. What I see in Trump that is bad creates the response in me it does because:
1) it is dangerous - as we see in the fact he has been trying to get foreign countries involved in our elections, undermining our sovereignity, and as we see in his abandonment of our allies in the war on ISIS.
2) many good people, many of them Christians, refuse to take a position that acknowledges how bad the bad things about Trump are. So that the bad things Trump is doing are being excused before the world by the Evangelical Christian church, which paints the entire Evangelical church with a great big red 'H' for Hypocrites. Hypocrites that condemn homosexuality or other sexual sins, but who excuse gross immorality of nearly all kinds in their leader of choice.
He lies, cheats, breaks laws, commits adultery, regularly undermines or cuts of those that have been loyal to him, has no respect for the constitution or the rule of law, is a bonafide Narcisist of the worst kind, care nothing about ripping children out of the arm of parents if it will let him keep a campaign promise, mocks the disabled, takes personal jabs at individual citizens from the office of the presidency, attacks the personal appearance of the wives of his opponenents, and on and on and on, and yet Evangelical Christians as a group excuse him and claim him as their own. The spend hours and hours on websites trying to pretend he really isn't doing these things and it's just the MSM making things up.
What is different about Trump over Obama, or Bush, or Clinton, or Nixon, or any other president is the extent to which the Church of Jesus Chist is willing to prostitute itself on his behalf.
THAT is why Trump is so bad in my eyes. Because he has made the Church his Harlot of Choice. And the Church is all for it.
Jim"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostDo you feel better after that display of TDS?
So how do you feel that Hillary used a former foreign intel operative, to collect dirt on Trump, from foreign sources, including Russia and the Ukraine, and presented this to the FBI. Who than used such information to spy on the Trump campaign?
Do you feel that members of the Clinton campaign and Obama administration should be arrested, put on trial, and jailed for getting foreigners to interfere in our election process?
Inquiring minds would like a non evasive answer."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostDo you feel better after that display of TDS?
The problem of your unwillingness to face the very real issues at hand is distressing to say the least. But it is morbidly common in the evangelical Christian community.
Think about it. You play like this is some mental aberration on my part, and yet the simplr fact is, the Christian community's support for Donald Trump renders them objectively hypocrites. We can no longer claim that we are misunderstood, or that the people that reject our message are simply blinded by their own love of the world or rejection of God.
We are, objectively, plainly, factually being hypocrites by supporting this person. By inventing excuses for plainly immoral acts, by cheering him on in rallies where he pokes at and stirs up the most base emotions of revenge and hate. It is absolutely that we want what he offers, and we are willing to prostitute ourselves to him (i.e. sacrifice our morals) to get it.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 10-16-2019, 09:33 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI feel I should add a bit more to this:
So how do you feel that Hillary used a former foreign intel operative, to collect dirt on Trump, from foreign sources, including Russia and the Ukraine, and presented this to the FBI. Who than used such information to spy on the Trump campaign?
Do you feel that members of the Clinton campaign and Obama administration should be arrested, put on trial, and jailed for getting foreigners to interfere in our election process?
Inquiring minds would like a non evasive answer.Last edited by JimL; 10-16-2019, 09:35 AM.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI feel I should add a bit more to this:
So how do you feel that Hillary used a former foreign intel operative, to collect dirt on Trump, from foreign sources, including Russia and the Ukraine, and presented this to the FBI. Who than used such information to spy on the Trump campaign?
Do you feel that members of the Clinton campaign and Obama administration should be arrested, put on trial, and jailed for getting foreigners to interfere in our election process?
Inquiring minds would like a non evasive answer.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNot after this reply of yours.
The problem of your unwillingness to face the very real issues at hand is distressing to say the least. But it is morbidly common in the evangelical Christian community.Think about it. You play like this is some mental aberration on my part, and yet the simplr fact is, the Christian community's support for Donald Trump renders them objectively hypocrites. We can no longer claim that we are misunderstood, or that the people that reject our message are simply blinded by their own love of the world or rejection of God.We are, objectively, plainly, factually being hypocrites by supporting this person. By inventing excuses for plainly immoral acts, by cheering him on in rallies where he pokes at and stirs up the most base emotions of revenge and hate. It is absolutely that we want what he offers, and we are willing to prostitute ourselves to him (i.e. sacrifice our morals) to get it.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 10-16-2019, 10:04 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou are not reading my post pixie. When did the evangelical church prostitute itself in support of Hillary?
Jim
Trump or Clinton.
What one at least promised to leave Christians alone to practice their beliefs?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by JimL View PostApples and oranges, lilpix, apples and oranges. A candidate or political party, hiring, paying a private firm, who happens to employ foreigners, to do opposition research on an opponent is not illegal. But asking, or a President extorting, a foreign government to do the same is illegal. In the first case, a foreign government isn't interfering in a U.S election, in the latter case they would be and they may, like Russia, have alterior motives for doing so like putting their man in the White House, or like Ukraine who badly needs U.S. aide.
"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThe choice in 2016 was:
Trump or Clinton.
What one at least promised to leave Christians alone to practice their beliefs?
However - Proclaiming Trump 'God's man' and talking about a divine mandate on him and standing behind him no matter WHAT he does, cheering him on NO MATTER WHAT - IS the problem I'm talking about.
And that is why I not talking about Hillary. Evangelical Christians don't deny the truth when she does something wrong. They don't cover it up. They don't echo conspiracy theories on their facebook pages to deflect attention from her misdeeds.
They ARE doing that with Donald Trump.
JImMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostPlease read again. Not talking about the election. And for the 1000th time, voting for Hillary or Clinton was a rock and a hard place decision. There was no 'right vote' in 2016.
However - Proclaiming Trump 'God's man' and talking about a divine mandate on him and standing behind him no matter WHAT he does, cheering him on NO MATTER WHAT - IS the problem I'm talking about.
And that is why I not talking about Hillary. Evangelical Christians don't deny the truth when she does something wrong. They don't cover it up. They don't echo conspiracy theories on their facebook pages to deflect attention from her misdeeds.
They ARE doing that with Donald Trump.
JImLast edited by lilpixieofterror; 10-16-2019, 10:20 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostOf course it was because your TV told you it was different. The government of Russia and Ukraine was contacted to dig up dirt on Trump.
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Not talking about you specifically pixie. I'm talking about the Evangelical Community as a whole prostituting itself with Donald Trump as the reason my focus is on Trump on these pages. It's not just that Trump is bad. And make no mistake, he is bad. As far as I can tell he is probably worse than any predecessor in our life time. And I'd be willing to say that on these pages. But that is not what keeps me coming back and continuing to try to make the point. What keeps me coming back is Christians excusing, participating in covering up what he is doing that is bad, ignoring it, justifying it, claiming the only reason it is reported is MSM 'bias'.
Because that turns the evangelical community into an Objective with no substantive excuse Hypocrites with a capitol H. We pretend we are against gay marriage because it is 'immoral' all the while standing behind Trump as he declares war on the poor, as he lies, cheats, undermines the rule of law, commits illegal acts trying to win the next election and so on and so forth. It doesn't fly. You try telling an immigrant that has lost her child to our immigration policies that you are 100% in Trumps camp on that, and oh, by the way, Jesus loves you and I'm praying for you. Or a gay person they shouldn't act out their sexual urges all the while excusing the Access Hollywood tape, or more likely, fighting against the women that have been sexually harassed by Trump and calling them liars and opportunists.
Capitol H pix. Capitol H.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 10-16-2019, 10:31 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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