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Originally posted by Sam View PostJust answering the issue you claimed I was avoiding, despite having answered it earlier. Not sure what "cherry picked outliers" refers to when I'm talking about poll aggregates and prediction sites but it's not something to put a great deal of stress into, either.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNixon, while still just a candidate, secretly negotiated with the Vietnamese not to negotiate a peace treaty with the Johnson administration until after the election in order to better his chances of being elected.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostMath is always right. But the wrong math can be used to describe a problem, and models can be incomplete.
science is a methodology that if properly followed does not lie. Though the solution it generates is not guaranteed to be correct in the sense of correctly describing the reality it is investigating.
People can lie about what is scientifically supported, or they can lie about what they did in their research. But science itself does not 'lie'.
JimSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNixon, while still just a candidate, secretly negotiated with the Vietnamese not to negotiate a peace treaty with the Johnson administration until after the election in order to better his chances of being elected.Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostTreason has a legal definition, Jim. Calling a dog's tail a leg does not mean the dog has five legs.
And far be it from me to want to defend Richard Nixon's character!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm going to back down on this - I did a lot more reading, and though I still don't think it's technically legally "treason", it's close enough that experts can't seem to agree. So, walks like it, talks like it....
And far be it from me to want to defend Richard Nixon's character!
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNot accusing you CP, but as a general comment, far worse that Nixon is being defended on these pages.
JimThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI don't think you'll find a single post where I defend Trump's character, in spite of the rampant false allegations that I do so "at every turn".
You mentioned nixon and that you would not defend him, so that triggered my response. I am not accusing you of defending Trump. Others are defending Trump. And I am saying that Trump is worse than Nixon.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostCP - what part of "Not accusing you CP" was unclear?
You mentioned nixon and that you would not defend him, so that triggered my response. I am not accusing you of defending Trump. Others are defending Trump. And I am saying that Trump is worse than Nixon.
Jim
Seriously --- are you LOOKING to be offended?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostJim - did you miss the "thumbs up" at the end of my post?
Seriously --- are you LOOKING to be offended?
But I was not offended, I was pointing out I had made an effort to avoid offending you and that it had apparently failed.
I got that impression from the text, which because I did not notice the tiny (on my phone) thumbs up symbol, seemed to be expressing annoyance at being accused of supporting Trump again.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 10-15-2019, 02:30 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI DID miss the thumbs up. Sorry about that!
But I was not offended, I was pointing out I had made an effort to avoid offending you and that it had apparently failed.
I got that impression from the text, which because I did not notice the tiny (on my phone) thumbs up symbol, seemed to be expressing annoyance at being accused of supporting Trump again.
Jim
And I get it - missing the "thumbs up" - all is well.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI am not easily annoyed Jim, particularly not by you.
And I get it - missing the "thumbs up" - all is well."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNot accusing you CP, but as a general comment, far worse that Nixon is being defended on these pages.
Jim"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Roy View PostWhat about them? Truman was never AFAICT considered one of the worst presidents."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Sam View PostI'm afraid this is wrong, for much the same reason LPOT was wrong: what the polls in question were indicating was that Clinton was leading Trump nationally by ~3.2%. That's it -- they were not indicating that Clinton would win the EC. Clinton ended up leading Trump in the national vote by 2.1%; statistically, the polls were solid.
You and LPOT are taking an inference from national polling and saying that because that inference didn't happen, the polls were "wrong". This is incorrect and even if we switch over from national polling to Election Day predictions, prediction sites like 538 or PEC or PredicitIt all certainly -did- consider the possibility of a Trump victory and displayed that statistic fairly prominently.
--Sam"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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