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Public service announcement about the De-energizing of Rural California.
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"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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PG&E has been in the crosshairs for many years since Hinkley. It memory serves, they were forced into this by threats of legal action from the state and from groups. The deengerzings weren't popular with the company because it meant they had to (and are) go out and inspect every bit of equipement and tower etc before they can turn everything back on.
Fingers of blame everywhere because the wilderness and forests weren't managed in the first place!Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by DesertBerean View PostPG&E has been in the crosshairs for many years since Hinkley. It memory serves, they were forced into this by threats of legal action from the state and from groups. The deengerzings weren't popular with the company because it meant they had to (and are) go out and inspect every bit of equipement and tower etc before they can turn everything back on.
Fingers of blame everywhere because the wilderness and forests weren't managed in the first place!
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostWas Barstow one of the effected area's DB?
Not so far. And it looks unlikely that we would be affected at all...remains to seen. Last time a fire got anywhere near our area was 2003 with the Olds fire, and judging from the current fire in the Cajon Pass, their power grid isn't part of ours.Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostIn reality these wilderness areas should not have been developed in the first place."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI actually agree with this - but victimizing people for buying lawfully built homes in areas that were legally permitted for development is unconscionable. It looks like the state trying to reduce the property values - or just plain drive people out - presumably for later 'reclamation', at much lower prices than current market value.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostWhat does "good stewardship" look like to you?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/califor...es-11570748835
Two dozen or so wildfires in the past few years have been linked to PG&E equipment, including one last fall that killed 85 people. PG&E under state law is on the hook for tens of billions of dollars in damages and has filed for bankruptcy. For years the utility skimped on safety upgrades and repairs while pumping billions into green energy and electric-car subsidies to please its overlords in Sacramento. Credit Suisse has estimated that long-term contracts with renewable developers cost the utility $2.2 billion annually more than current market power rates.
Or going with the opposition of eco-nazies to logging and controlled burning and curtailing each of them which is why the area's that had the black out were in danger of wild fires.
Meantime, opposition to logging and prescribed burns in California’s forests compounded by a seven-year drought has yielded 147 million dead trees that make for combustible fuel. Rural communities are at especially high fire risk when winds kick up as they have this week.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI actually agree with this - but victimizing people for buying lawfully built homes in areas that were legally permitted for development is unconscionable. It looks like the state trying to reduce the property values - or just plain drive people out - presumably for later 'reclamation', at much lower prices than current market value.
I do not believe this is what you call 'victimizing', because the fires that followed, and the risk is earrented. By far the overwhelming majority of development in these 'wilderness' regions is higher income housing.Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-12-2019, 08:11 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostEntire cities have been destroyed by a tornado or hurricane. With deaths numbering in the thousands.
The issue in the 'wilderness' semi-arid regions is that these are regular annual events of widespread complete devastation by fires, and the disaster you reference are not regular annual events in the same locations.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYes, what you describe are real disasters, and in part reflect with rising sea levels because of global warming, development in tidal zones, and flood plains of major rivers should be limited.
The issue in the 'wilderness' semi-arid regions is that these are regular annual events of widespread complete devastation by fires, and the disaster you reference are not regular annual events in the same locations."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYes, what you describe are real disasters, and in part reflect with rising sea levels because of global warming, development in tidal zones, and flood plains of major rivers should be limited.
The issue in the 'wilderness' semi-arid regions is that these are regular annual events of widespread complete devastation by fires, and the disaster you reference are not regular annual events in the same locations.
When hurricane and severe flooding events occur repeatedly in these areas, people still rebuild and expect the government to bail them out when the next flooding and hurricane event takes place.Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-12-2019, 08:40 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostWhat is legal is an issue, because development laws need to changed. but the problem with development in these California 'wilderness' regions have been known for many years, and it remains up to individuals to be responsible for their own decisions when the devastating and deadly annual fre risks are well known.
I do not believe this is what you call 'victimizing', because the fires that followed, and the risk is earrented. By far the overwhelming majority of development in these 'wilderness' regions is higher income housing.
The failure is in the utility not addressing the hazard long since. Making the property owners suffer - now with one possibly attributable death - is a form of victimization."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
"Forgiveness is the way of love." Gary Chapman
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostCoast lines change all the time shuny. Some are shrinking and others are growing, but that doesn’t change the fact that natural disasters hazards exist everywhere and fewer people are dying as a result of one.Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-12-2019, 08:21 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostOne correction for now. Coastlines are NOT growing. There are some areas where melting glaciers have caused the rebound of the land, and there is some migration of barrier islands on the coast, butin general coastlines are not growing.
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As is so often is the case this appears to be considerably more complex as is typically portrayed.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostOn top of that this hits the poorer and middle class worse the the richer even if they do have a generator because of the gas tax the gas to run the generators may make them choose between actual food or making sure what food they have is safe.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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