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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Of course they're arguing process, because until there is a fair and impartial process in place, arguing the facts is pointless.
    Very lame excuse. No points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    I'm attacking the messenger because the messenger is a fraud, not because his message can't be refuted. If you watched the testimony you'd know that the whole idea to investigate Biden was driven by this political hack, and that his reporting was full of lies or fake news if you will. Vindman, Kent, Fiona Hill, all under oath. You're problem, like MM, CP, rogue, et al, is that you live in that conservative bubble where they lie to you every day, and you just eat it up.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/vindman...ing-were-false
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    About fairness:

    What is unfair is that Trump and his lawyers have given up any semblance of fidelity to facts, have smeared distinguished witnesses, attempted to intimidate the whistleblower (and put his or her safety in jeopardy), hurled baseless accusations at House Democrats investigating presidential wrongdoing and, worst of all, obstructed Congress by refusing to produce documents and blocking critical witnesses from testifying.


    On Sunday, Pat A. Cipollone, the White House counsel, sent Nadler a letter declining to show up for the Wednesday hearing but reserving the right to participate later on. The New York Times wrote: “The refusal to send lawyers Wednesday continues a pattern of stonewalling by Mr. Trump, who has sought to block witnesses and documents, as he and his allies call the proceedings ‘deranged’ and a ‘witch hunt.’”


    There is no mystery as to what is going on here. Trump has no facts to put forth and no valid constitutional argument that bribery (specifically mentioned in the Constitution) and obstruction fail to meet the standard for impeachment. (As the Lawfare blog puts it, “There is every reason to believe that the drafters of the Constitution had in mind a scope that easily encompasses Trump’s conduct. ... The transcript [of the July 25 call] makes clear that Trump tied together the request for a personal favor with the delivery of military aid. But even if he had not made such a direct connection, this sort of corrupt use of public office to obtain a private benefit fits squarely within the definition of bribery when the Constitution was written.”)
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    About fairness:
    About politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    About politics.
    The easiest way to deflect is to accuse the other side of the very shenanigans you're doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    About politics.
    Republicans have already accepted the fact that their dear leader, the POTUS, has committed bribery, and all they can do now is try to delegitimise the impeachment processes so that they can (as they surely will) let him off. That indeed will be a political act of considerable notoriety that will leave previous generations of noble Republicans, spinning in their graves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    Republicans have already accepted the fact that their dear leader, the POTUS, has committed bribery, and all they can do now is try to delegitimise the impeachment processes so that they can (as they surely will) let him off. That indeed will be a political act of considerable notoriety that will leave previous generations of noble Republicans, spinning in their graves.
    Though, not a Republican, I'll point out that I'm not the one who de-legitimized the impeachment process - Schiff did that by starting the thing off with a grand lie of his own, then making himself judge, jury, witness corrector/instructor, media liaison... Remember when the Democrats promised they wouldn't do this if it were a partisan thing?

    This impeachment drive is a huge political bust for Democrats

    Impeachment is a political process. And judging the process strictly on political grounds, the impeachment of President Trump hasn’t been a success for Democrats.

    After all, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Adam Schiff haven’t gotten any closer to convincing a single Senate Republican to remove the president. It’s highly probable that a Senate trial run by Republicans, with new witnesses and evidence, would further corrode the Democrats’ case.

    Liberals will pretend that Senate Republicans are members of a reactionary Trump cult, but if there had been incontrovertible proof of “bribery,” a number of them would be compelled to act differently. No such evidence was provided....


    and...

    Take Schiff, who once claimed to be privy to hard evidence — which never materialized — of a criminal conspiracy between Trump and the Russian regime.


    It's a sham.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Though, not a Republican, I'll point out that I'm not the one who de-legitimized the impeachment process - Schiff did that by starting the thing off with a grand lie of his own, then making himself judge, jury, witness corrector/instructor, media liaison... Remember when the Democrats promised they wouldn't do this if it were a partisan thing?

    This impeachment drive is a huge political bust for Democrats

    Impeachment is a political process. And judging the process strictly on political grounds, the impeachment of President Trump hasn’t been a success for Democrats.

    After all, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Adam Schiff haven’t gotten any closer to convincing a single Senate Republican to remove the president. It’s highly probable that a Senate trial run by Republicans, with new witnesses and evidence, would further corrode the Democrats’ case.

    Liberals will pretend that Senate Republicans are members of a reactionary Trump cult, but if there had been incontrovertible proof of “bribery,” a number of them would be compelled to act differently. No such evidence was provided....


    and...

    Take Schiff, who once claimed to be privy to hard evidence — which never materialized — of a criminal conspiracy between Trump and the Russian regime.


    It's a sham.
    Trump has not been impeached yet. All this is deflection. The Dems are simply not to be distracted by such tomfoolery. They know that Republicans will ignore the facts. They cannot sway the Senate but they have a chance with the voters.

    And every day, Trump does his very best to be the most disgusting POTUS the world has ever seen. I don’t understand how Republicans put up with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    Trump has not been impeached yet.
    Not, yet, and the Democrats seem to be rather confused as to whether or how to proceed.

    All this is deflection.
    Claiming something is a deflection is a deflection.

    The Dems are simply not to be distracted by such tomfoolery. They know that Republicans will ignore the facts. They cannot sway the Senate but they have a chance with the voters.
    Well, I think their chances are slim to none, and slim just mounted a horse and headed South.

    And every day, Trump does his very best to be the most disgusting POTUS the world has ever seen. I don’t understand how Republicans put up with him.
    He is, indeed, his own worst enemy.
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