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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Yes. The Republican led House.

    We'll see.
    I don't think that's correct. Article I, section 5, paragraph 2 of the Constitution specifies that each House of Congress may determine its own rules and may expel Members, and actual impeachment belongs only to the House to make the charges and the Senate to convict and remove.

    The House itself can expel a member, but I don't think they can impeach one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    If the Republicans retake the House in 2020 at the very least Schiff won't be chairman of anything and I wouldn't be completely surprised that as a result the Democrats take steps to ensure he never will again.
    I think the BEST thing that could happen is for Schiff to remain in the House as a minority member. He deserves it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    I'm still leaning toward the idea that they never thought Trump was going to release the transcript from the call between him and Zelensky so that they would be able to present the Ciaramella-Schift version as accurate instead of the uncorroborated spurious gossip that the actual legitimate evidence indicates that it is.
    I think it goes beyond that: I suspect they believed Ciaramella actually knew what he was talking about and that they would have the opportunity to humiliate Trump by forcing him to to release what they were certain was damning evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    You need to get new talking points, Jim. The Democrats were in "let's impeach Trump" mode from Day 1 of Trump's presidency, and Pelosi has been all over the map on this.
    We are talking now about the Impeachment for Trumps actions in the Ukranian scheme. It was of course the opinion of many of the House Dems, as well as In my opinion, that there was adequete evidence in the Mueller report to file articles for collusion, as well as that of obstruction, but Trumps toadie Attorney General came out and exonerated Trump rather than turning the report over to Congress to deal with, just as he did when he decided to come out and dispute the recent IG report which debunked the whole propaganda notion of a deep state.


    I said "the Democrats" - you are hiding behind Nancy Pelosi's skirt. And, yes, it's entirely political - look at the FACTS....
    See above.
    • It is ONLY the Democrats on these House committees voting FOR impeachment.
    • The ONLY bi-partisanship is two DEMOCRATS crossing the isle to vote with REPUBLICANS.
    • The Democrats are constantly looking at POLLING and checking with FOCUS GROUPS to see how to sell this steaming pile of horsie poo.
    • The DEMOCRAT controlled House will vote to impeach, but they'll probably lose another couple Democrats - possibly up to 10 - who will side with Republicans.
    • Again - the ONLY bipartisanship is Democrats not going along with the entirely political sham impeachment circus.
    • The REPUBLICAN controlled Senate will NEVER remove Trump, particularly with newer polling showing that Americans are NOT supporting this sham impeachment circus.
    • Your colleagues were all excited about a poll that showed that 50% of Americans supported impeachment and removal, but you have to totally ignore the fact that that support has collapsed, and is trending DOWN, and you still claim that 46.5% is "half".
    • The 31 Democrats "at risk" in their home districts are having a hard time deciding how to vote because of their POLITICAL risk.
    • There is NOTHING about this impeachment that is NOT political.
    • Schiff had to OUTRIGHT LIE about the transcript to get the ball rolling
    • Nadler had strongly opposed Clinton's impeachment because it HAD to be WIDELY bipartisan both in the political realm and in the House and Senate - and there had to be OVERWHELMING evidence of actual crimes
    • Pelosi had made similar speeches
    • The Democrats have to keep lying about there being "overwhelming evidence" in order to try not to look like the lying hypocrites they are
    • Schiff has been claiming he has a "mountain of evidence" that he's holding back - why can't the shifty little liar produce it?
    None of that makes it completely political. Impeachment is political on it's face, it's a political trial, but that doesn't negate, or have anything to do with the truth or falseness of the accussations.

    I could go on and on. Which of the above facts are in error?
    All are irrelevant talking points. What you want to do is talk/complain about process, not the underlying facts of the case.
    It's POLITICAL, Jim, regardless of the talking points in your bubble pretending it's not.
    Impeachment is a political trial, CP, thus in that sense it is always political. But again, what you actually want to say without saying it, is that the President is innocent.
    Last edited by JimL; 12-14-2019 at 02:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Not a nit pick - you said he had a Senate trial.
    No, I said prior to a Senate trial.
    Not a couple - as popular as Nixon was having any is a good indicator that everyone had concerns about the evidence they had at that point.
    Oh please, I'm sure many share those same concerns now, though they won't admit to it for political reasons. There are just less pricipled people in the republican Congress today than there were in !974.
    That evidence had been tied up in a court battle that Nixon lost. Nothing comparable exists this time - that the leaky Schiff retained something condemning is wildly implausible.
    Yes, and there is even more evidence not yet seen in this Impeachment because of Trumps absolute obstruction/cover-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    EGGzackly --- it was an impeachment looking for an excuse to move forward.
    No, you're just willfully blind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Because there was an actual undeniable verifiable inexcusable documented crime.
    Not by the president. It took time to connect Nixon directly to the crime and cover-up, and we have the same situation here except that the underlying crime in this case is much worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Even if "obstruction of congress" was a thing, it's not that - it's standing up to a small group of partisan hacks on one committee of one HALF of Congress.
    It's actually called "contempt of Congress" and it is a thing, enacted in 1857. You can call it standing up to partisan hacks if you want, but it's an impeachable offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    The Democrats might have had a better case if they had bothered to make the impeachment inquiry official with a full vote of the House.
    The process has nothing to do with the undelying facts of the case.

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