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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Yah huh. Care to dispute it, or can't you?
    You're attributing what Biden said to Obama. That Biden invoked Obama's authority doesn't change that Clown Shoes Joe made the quid pro quo. It also doesn't make the situation ethically much better, since your scenario makes Obama out to be abusing the power of his office for his VP's son.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    You're attributing what Biden said to Obama. That Biden invoked Obama's authority doesn't change that Clown Shoes Joe made the quid pro quo.
    Seems the part that you don't understand is that a quid pro quo in and of itself is not illegal or wrong in any way. Like Mulvaney said, though mistakingly in his case, we do this all the time. But, we do it all the time for things that are in the interest of the country, not for ones personal gain of any kind. The U.S. as well as the rest of the western world wanted Shoken gone because of the rampant corruption which he, as Prosecutor General was a part of. We were trying to help them clean up the corruption as well as give them much needed economic aid. That really doesn't even add up to a quid pro quo since the U.S. wasn't recieving anything in the deal.


    It also doesn't make the situation ethically much better, since your scenario makes Obama out to be abusing the power of his office for his VP's son.
    See the above. Obama recieved nothing in return, Trump demanded something in return, and not for the country, but to benefit himself politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Isn't that exactly what the Democrats are doing now and for the last 3 years? They have been investigating Trump, coming up with fake Russian conspiracies,
    Not at all. The Mueller Report made very clear that that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, both by using social media to influence American voters with misinformation and by hacking into the Clinton campaignís computers and etc. This despite Putin's discredited attempt to blame Ukraine - as being pursued by the ever-obedient Trump.

    and now trying to use impeachment as a method to eliminate Trump from the next election.
    No. This is Congress doing legitimate oversight into presidential abuse of the Constitution. There is specific evidence that Trump abused the office of the President for his own gain, including an overheard phone call between Trump and Sondland demanding foreign interference into a domestic political rival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Not at all. The Mueller Report made very clear that that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, both by using social media to influence American voters with misinformation and by hacking into the Clinton campaignís computers and etc. This despite Putin's discredited attempt to blame Ukraine - as being pursued by the ever-obedient Trump.



    No. This is Congress doing legitimate oversight into presidential abuse of the Constitution. There is specific evidence that Trump abused the office of the President for his own gain, including an overheard phone call between Trump and Sondland demanding foreign interference into a domestic political rival.
    Itís truly amazing how quickly the Mueller report was dismissed. I had no interest in Trump until I read a story about the controversial report so I read the report for myself. I was honestly confused when it seemed to just fizzle out of public interest. I mean it detailed the scope and sophistication of Russian interference and confirmed connections with members of the trump campaign then concluded with a whole new section just for the attempts to obstruct the investigation by trump himself.

    Regardless of trumps involvement, at the very least I thought that amount of election interference would be cause for concern for all Americans. Now itís just referred to as the Russian hoax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watermelon View Post
    Itís truly amazing how quickly the Mueller report was dismissed. I had no interest in Trump until I read a story about the controversial report so I read the report for myself. I was honestly confused when it seemed to just fizzle out of public interest. I mean it detailed the scope and sophistication of Russian interference and confirmed connections with members of the trump campaign then concluded with a whole new section just for the attempts to obstruct the investigation by trump himself.

    Regardless of trumps involvement, at the very least I thought that amount of election interference would be cause for concern for all Americans. Now itís just referred to as the Russian hoax.
    In fact, Mueller's claims of Russian meddling in his report are vague, contradictory, and are supported by no direct evidence. Remember, no law enforcement agency was ever allowed to examine the Democrat sever that was supposedly hacked, and all claims to that end are based on a redacted draft report prepared by a company under the employ of the Democrat party.

    This following article explains just how poorly the Mueller report makes the case for Russian interference:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...stimony-239295

    There's also the infamous incident when Mueller indicted the Russian trolls, but when they unexpectedly sent lawyers to contest the charges, Mueller all but admitted that he didn't actually have any evidence. It seems that Mueller was trying to score political points with indictments that would play well in the press but were never intended to go to trial.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...an-government/

    To put this another way, if you were trying to prove Russian interference in court, and your evidence was the Mueller report, then you would have an uphill battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Seems the part that you don't understand is that a quid pro quo in and of itself is not illegal or wrong in any way. Like Mulvaney said, though mistakingly in his case, we do this all the time. But, we do it all the time for things that are in the interest of the country, not for ones personal gain of any kind. The U.S. as well as the rest of the western world wanted Shoken gone because of the rampant corruption which he, as Prosecutor General was a part of. We were trying to help them clean up the corruption as well as give them much needed economic aid. That really doesn't even add up to a quid pro quo since the U.S. wasn't recieving anything in the deal.
    When you're caught out, change the subject, eh?
    See the above. Obama recieved nothing in return, Trump demanded something in return, and not for the country, but to benefit himself politically.
    Twice, even! And you pivot to what Republicans have been saying about a quid pro quo all along!

    Transparent dodges duly noted. At least you appear to have grasped that it's not a good look for Biden, since you're determined to somehow spin that away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    In fact, Mueller's claims of Russian meddling in his report are vague, contradictory, and are supported by no direct evidence. Remember, no law enforcement agency was ever allowed to examine the Democrat sever that was supposedly hacked, and all claims to that end are based on a redacted draft report prepared by a company under the employ of the Democrat party.

    This following article explains just how poorly the Mueller report makes the case for Russian interference:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...stimony-239295

    There's also the infamous incident when Mueller indicted the Russian trolls, but when they unexpectedly sent lawyers to contest the charges, Mueller all but admitted that he didn't actually have any evidence. It seems that Mueller was trying to score political points with indictments that would play well in the press but were never intended to go to trial.

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...an-government/

    To put this another way, if you were trying to prove Russian interference in court, and your evidence was the Mueller report, then you would have an uphill battle.
    Thanks. Iíll have a read!

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    When you're caught out, change the subject, eh?

    Twice, even! And you pivot to what Republicans have been saying about a quid pro quo all along!

    Transparent dodges duly noted. At least you appear to have grasped that it's not a good look for Biden, since you're determined to somehow spin that away.
    When you're caught out, don't even attempt to dispute what I said, eh? Transparent ignorance duly noted.

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    Democrats now say that a president can be impeached for legal acts done with the "wrong" motive.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-breaking-law/

    That sounds like a concession that there is no compelling evidence that the President is guilty of a crime.
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