Take This Impeachment And Shove It...

[Mountain Man]

The witnesses that Schumer argued against in the Clinton trial were not new witnesses, they had already testified in the House Impeachment, their testimony was already known, the witnesses requested to be heard in this the Trump trial have never been heard, their testimony, as well as documentary evidence was blocked, by the President. So, when are you going to tell us why you are afraid of the obstructed witnesses from being heard?

History lesson for you:

Schumer didn't even want to see the Clinton impeachment go to trial saying, "I hope a trial doesn’t go forward. And I am starting from this moment on to explore every possible way to avoid a trial" and "that we should vote articles of dismissal if no new facts come out".

Concerning calling witnesses, he said, "One wonders why all of a sudden the House managers, who were vehemently opposed to witnesses in the House, are now so eager to call witnesses here." He also argued that calling witnesses during the Senate trial would cause unnecessary delays, saying, "We may have a set list of four witnesses, and then the president says I want five, and then the House managers say in reference to these five, we want another three. Each one will be deposed by both sides first. I can’t imagine, if we vote for witnesses, if this is going, that it’s any less than a two month process."

https://www.republicanleader.senate....act-vs-fiction

But regardless, the rules are set: both sides present their case; a motion will be heard to present new witnesses and evidence; if the motion fails, then it's over. So the question is, does the House have a compelling enough case to convince a majority of Senators to approve the motion? You don't sound very confident.

[JimL]

History lesson for you:

Schumer didn't even want to see the Clinton impeachment go to trial saying, "I hope a trial doesn’t go forward. And I am starting from this moment on to explore every possible way to avoid a trial" and "that we should vote articles of dismissal if no new facts come out".

Concerning calling witnesses, he said, "One wonders why all of a sudden the House managers, who were vehemently opposed to witnesses in the House, are now so eager to call witnesses here." He also argued that calling witnesses during the Senate trial would cause unnecessary delays, saying, "We may have a set list of four witnesses, and then the president says I want five, and then the House managers say in reference to these five, we want another three. Each one will be deposed by both sides first. I can’t imagine, if we vote for witnesses, if this is going, that it’s any less than a two month process."

https://www.republicanleader.senate....act-vs-fiction

But regardless, the rules are set: both sides present their case; a motion will be heard to present new witnesses and evidence; if the motion fails, then it's over. So the question is, does the House have a compelling enough case to convince a majority of Senators to approve the motion? You don't sound very confident.

History lesson for you. Clinton was impeached for lying to congress over a sexual affair. These alleged charges are just a bit more serious.

[firstfloor]

A timeline:
https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/t...d-ukrainegate/

[Mountain Man]

For the record...

The “Just Security” group is similar to the “Lawfare” group. Their purpose is to receive and then distribute leaked material. They will be leaking material from Mueller, via the House teams, as well as material from current insider operations from the resistance.

As rcogburn discovered:

Justsecurity.org is part of the Reiss Center at NYU Law. Article on them in, of all places, the World Socialist Web Site. Most of it is easily verifiable (e.g. Andrew Weissman is a distinguished fellow and the place is run by ex-Obama people) and seems truthful, judge for yourself.

Highlights here. Article is in two parts, linked:

“A think tank for the national security establishment and the Democratic Party.”

“the Center’s research is intimately integrated with the Democratic Party wing of the State Department and intelligence agencies. Its leading bodies are staffed with top national security and foreign policy officials from the Obama administration. Out of the 18 people on its list of Fellows and Affiliates, 14 are ex-Obama administration officials. Two members of its Board of Advisors and two of its Leadership Team are also former Obama administration officials.”

“In 2018, following Trump’s ascendancy to the presidency, the center integrated the publication JustSecurity.org, which is playing a central role as a resource for pro-Democratic party media in the impeachment crisis. ”

“Through both its fellows and its publication, JustSecurity.org, the Reiss Center is closely integrated into the anti-Russia campaign of the national security apparatus and the Democratic Party, and their efforts to impeach Trump on a pro-war and anti-democratic basis. There is a direct connection to the anti-Russia campaign and impeachment efforts by the Democratic Party and intelligence agencies through Andrew Weissman, who is a distinguished senior fellow at the Reiss Center.

“Rachel Goldbrenner, the center’s Executive Director and a professor of law at NYU, served as a senior advisor to Samantha Power…has connections to Eric Ciaramella.”

“David S. Cohen, an advisor to the Center, was working in the Treasury Department in the Obama administration and was the deputy director of the CIA between 2015-2017. … Cohen played a critical role in whipping up anti-Russian hysteria with unsubstantiated claims of interference in the 2016 election”

“Lisa O. Monaco… distinguished senior fellow…was the Homeland Security Advisor of Obama from 2013 to 2017. Jon Finer is another fellow who is the ex-Chief of State at US State Department, where he served as the senior advisor to John Kerry. He was also the US lead negotiator at the 2015 Iran Nuclear Deal and the 2016 Paris Climate Accord.

The co-editor of JustSecurity.org is Ryan Goodman…he served as special counsel to the general counsel of the Department of Defense in 2015-2016”

“The Reiss Center’s public involvement proceeds through its JustSecurity.org publication. First established in 2013, the website was based at the Law School’s center for Human Rights and Global Justice, before being relocated to the Reiss Center in September 2018, shortly after the latter’s renaming. It is funded by NYU’s School of Law as well as the Atlantic Philanthropies and Open Society Foundations—both founded and chaired by George Soros.”

Part 1
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../nyu1-d10.html
Part 2
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../nyu2-d11.html

Justsecurity.org and the Reiss Center are hosting a panel on Jan 16, “Reforming the FISA Process: Proposals for the Future.”

Featured speakers: Andrew McCabe and Andrew Weissman. You can’t make this stuff up.

https://www.lawandsecurity.org/calen...-fisa-process/

The Just Security group will leak material which will then be picked up by specific Democrat politicians and used as evidence to attack and undermine President Trump.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...2020-strategy/

Always vet your sources.

[DivineOb]

Always vet your sources.

Agreed.

Do you mean we shouldn't trust Just Security or that we should take their analysis with a grain of salt?

When you say "leaks" do you mean leaks or do you mean "made up stuff"?

[JimL]

Agreed.

Do you mean we shouldn't trust Just Security or that we should take their analysis with a grain of salt?

When you say "leaks" do you mean leaks or do you mean "made up stuff"?

He means that if it isn't Breibart, or perhaps Sean Hannity, then don't trust them.

[DivineOb]

He means that if it isn't Breibart, or perhaps Sean Hannity, then don't trust them.

Hope springs eternal. I think MM is smarter than he lets on and knows the world is less black and white than his persona.

[Sam]

For the record...


Always vet your sources.

I understand this is futile, based on your previous off-the-wall idea of what the name "Lawfare" means but what material, exactly, has JustSecurity leaked?

--Sam

[firstfloor]

I heard about them on Trumpcast.

Virginia Heffernan talks to Kate Brannen, editorial director of Just Security, about her story uncovering the unredacted version of emails, mostly between Michael Duffey, associate director of national security programs at the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and Elaine McCusker, the acting Pentagon comptroller.

If MM doesn’t like a thing, I would take that as a very solid recommendation.

[Mountain Man]

Screenshot_2020-01-08 Leader McConnell on Twitter.jpeg
https://twitter.com/senatemajldr/sta...-house-dems%2F

Which means Ol' Nancy has zero leverage here. Oh, and she better hurry, because the clock is ticking...

Sen. Hawley introduced a resolution to update the Senate rules to allow a motion to dismiss articles of impeachment for lack of prosecution. The bill features strong support across the Senate Republican conference, including Sens. Rick Scott (R-FL), Mike Braun (R-IN), Marsha Blackburn (R-IN), Ted Cruz (R-TX), Steve Daines (R-MT), John Barrasso (R-WY), Tom Cotton (R-AR), Joni Ernst (R-IA), David Perdue (R-GA), and Jim Inhofe (R-OK).

The Missouri conservative said that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has stalled on sending the articles of impeachment to the Senate after a bipartisan group of lawmakers opposed impeachment in the House and the American people have soured on it.

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Sen. Hawley’s resolution would allow the Senate to address this current standoff between Pelosi and the Senate by allowing a majority of senators to dismiss the articles of impeachment for lack of prosecution. The House of Representatives would have up to 25 calendar days to transmit the articles to the Senate.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...achment-trial/

Note that's 25-days from the impeachment vote, which means the clock runs out for Nancy and her gang on January 12!

[Mountain Man]

Even Diane Feinstein is telling Nancy it's time to throw in the towel...

Screenshot_2020-01-08 Laura Litvan on Twitter.jpeg
https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/stat...s-to-let-go%2F

[JimL]

Even Diane Feinstein is telling Nancy it's time to throw in the towel...

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https://twitter.com/LauraLitvan/stat...s-to-let-go%2F

The good Senator from California must not be aware of the fact that so long as Moscow Mitch has delayed in order to block evidence and testimony in his attempt to put on his sham trial, a slew of new evidence keeps coming out which will be added to the Articles prior to them being delivered to the Senate. Moscow Mitchs' scheme is making things worse, not better for the Presidents case.

[Mountain Man]

The good Senator from California must not be aware of the fact that so long as Moscow Mitch has delayed in order to block evidence and testimony in his attempt to put on his sham trial, a slew of new evidence keeps coming out which will be added to the Articles prior to them being delivered to the Senate. Moscow Mitchs' scheme is making things worse, not better for the Presidents case.

Ah, I see you've been brushing up on the latest liberal talking points.

Yeah, sorry, there's not a "slew of new evidence". I suppose they can vote to amend the articles if they think it'll help, but whatever Nancy is planning to do, she better hurry it up, because she only has 4-days left before the Senate votes to dismiss all charges, and then the Democrats are back to square one. Again.

[DivineOb]

Note that's 25-days from the impeachment vote, which means the clock runs out for Nancy and her gang on January 12!

Interesting. Can't they just revote on the articles if this happens?

[JimL]

Ah, I see you've been brushing up on the latest liberal talking points.

Yeah, sorry, there's not a "slew of new evidence". I suppose they can vote to amend the articles if they think it'll help, but whatever Nancy is planning to do, she better hurry it up, because she only has 4-days left before the Senate votes to dismiss all charges, and then the Democrats are back to square one. Again.

That's a dumb strategy, MM. Square one wouldn't take any longer since there would be basically nothing to do but to take a vote and then deliver the new and improved Articles.