Take This Impeachment And Shove It...

[seer]

Which is still not a crime - if it were an abuse of power which it isn't. The President, not Congress, sets foreign policy - as long as he doesn't re-appropriate the funds it's a non-issue - he's within his power as President.

Right, Obama withheld funds for Ukraine for three years...

[JimL]

Right, Obama withheld funds for Ukraine for three years...

No, Obama didn't ever withhold congressionally appropriated funding to Ukaraine.

[One Bad Pig]

No, Obama didn't ever withhold congressionally appropriated funding to Ukaraine.

Seer is partly right, in his habitual sloppy way:


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This means that your statement here equally damns Obama.

[seer]

Seer is partly right, in his habitual sloppy way:

[Tassman]

Which is still not a crime - if it were an abuse of power which it isn't. The President, not Congress, sets foreign policy - as long as he doesn't re-appropriate the funds it's a non-issue - he's within his power as President.

It IS an abuse of power when congressional appropriated military aid is withheld by a president until he gets an investigation of a domestic political rival - as has been confirmed by numerous witnesses including ambassador Gordon Sondland. He confirmed Trump withheld US support for Ukraine in exchange for investigations into his political rival Joe Biden.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...nd-impeachment

[seer]

It IS an abuse of power when congressional appropriated military aid is withheld by a president until he gets an investigation of a domestic political rival - as has been confirmed by numerous witnesses including ambassador Gordon Sondland. He confirmed Trump withheld US support for Ukraine in exchange for investigations into his political rival Joe Biden.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...nd-impeachment

False, from you link:

He (Sondland) explained that in response to Taylor's concerns about the US withholding aid to Ukraine, he went to Trump to ask what he wanted from the country.

"And he said, I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I just want Zelensky to do the right thing, words that he ran under

[Mountain Man]

False, from you link:

He (Sondland) explained that in response to Taylor's concerns about the US withholding aid to Ukraine, he went to Trump to ask what he wanted from the country.

"And he said, I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I just want Zelensky to do the right thing, words that he ran under

And as I recall, Sondland was responding to Taylor's concerns that the Ukrainians weren't going to get anything out an agreement, and Sondland told him, essentially, "Sorry, but the President was crystal clear that there is to be no quid pro quo."

[seer]

And as I recall, Sondland was responding to Taylor's concerns that the Ukrainians weren't going to get anything out an agreement, and Sondland told him, essentially, "Sorry, but the President was crystal clear that there is to be no quid pro quo."

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[firstfloor]

[JimL]

Which is still not a crime - if it were an abuse of power which it isn't. The President, not Congress, sets foreign policy - as long as he doesn't re-appropriate the funds it's a non-issue - he's within his power as President.

Actually, the Presidents withholding of congressianally appropriated funds is a crime in and of itself. "The Impoundment and control act of 1974."

[Tassman]

False, from you link:

He (Sondland) explained that in response to Taylor's concerns about the US withholding aid to Ukraine, he went to Trump to ask what he wanted from the country.

"And he said, I want nothing. I want no quid pro quo. I just want Zelensky to do the right thing, words that he ran under

https://www.voanews.com/usa/impeachm...-trump-ukraine

[Mountain Man]

https://www.voanews.com/usa/impeachm...-trump-ukraine

And then he went on to testify that this was based entirely on his own presumptions and not on anything anybody told him, and that the President told him clearly and emphatically that there was to be no quid pro quo.

So, yeah...

[firstfloor]

Republican denials looking fraudulent at this point.
Maybe no more witness interviews, impeachment, then Trump-Putin wins in the Senate. The fusion of Russian disinformation with the American right wing is complete and might well be permanent.

We might be witnessing the end of American democracy.

Will the voters save the USA?

[Mountain Man]

We might be witnessing the end of American democracy.

With any luck, you're right. And then we can get back to being what we were founded as:

A Republic (if we can keep it).

[firstfloor]

With any luck, you're right. And then we can get back to being what we were founded as:

A Republic (if we can keep it).

The USA is described as a constitutional federal republic. Am I to understand that you wish that reduced to republic by abolishing the constitution and dissolving the federation of states?