Take This Impeachment And Shove It...

[firstfloor]

Of course they're arguing process, because until there is a fair and impartial process in place, arguing the facts is pointless.

Very lame excuse. No points.

[Mountain Man]

Let's put it this way: it's futile to haggle over price per pound when dealing with a merchant who blatantly puts his thumb on the scale.

[lilpixieofterror]

I'm attacking the messenger because the messenger is a fraud, not because his message can't be refuted. If you watched the testimony you'd know that the whole idea to investigate Biden was driven by this political hack, and that his reporting was full of lies or fake news if you will. Vindman, Kent, Fiona Hill, all under oath. You're problem, like MM, CP, rogue, et al, is that you live in that conservative bubble where they lie to you every day, and you just eat it up.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/vindman...ing-were-false

The poster boy, for bubble living, accuses others of living in a bubble!

[firstfloor]

About fairness:

WaPo

[Cow Poke]

About fairness:

About politics.

[One Bad Pig]

About politics.

The easiest way to deflect is to accuse the other side of the very shenanigans you're doing.

[firstfloor]

About politics.

Republicans have already accepted the fact that their dear leader, the POTUS, has committed bribery, and all they can do now is try to delegitimise the impeachment processes so that they can (as they surely will) let him off. That indeed will be a political act of considerable notoriety that will leave previous generations of noble Republicans, spinning in their graves.

[Cow Poke]

Republicans have already accepted the fact that their dear leader, the POTUS, has committed bribery, and all they can do now is try to delegitimise the impeachment processes so that they can (as they surely will) let him off. That indeed will be a political act of considerable notoriety that will leave previous generations of noble Republicans, spinning in their graves.

Though, not a Republican, I'll point out that I'm not the one who de-legitimized the impeachment process - Schiff did that by starting the thing off with a grand lie of his own, then making himself judge, jury, witness corrector/instructor, media liaison... Remember when the Democrats promised they wouldn't do this if it were a partisan thing?

This impeachment drive is a huge political bust for Democrats



and...



It's a sham.

[firstfloor]

Though, not a Republican, I'll point out that I'm not the one who de-legitimized the impeachment process - Schiff did that by starting the thing off with a grand lie of his own, then making himself judge, jury, witness corrector/instructor, media liaison... Remember when the Democrats promised they wouldn't do this if it were a partisan thing?

This impeachment drive is a huge political bust for Democrats



and...



It's a sham.

[Cow Poke]

Trump has not been impeached yet.

Not, yet, and the Democrats seem to be rather confused as to whether or how to proceed.

All this is deflection.

Claiming something is a deflection is a deflection.

The Dems are simply not to be distracted by such tomfoolery. They know that Republicans will ignore the facts. They cannot sway the Senate but they have a chance with the voters.

Well, I think their chances are slim to none, and slim just mounted a horse and headed South.

He is, indeed, his own worst enemy.

[JimL]

Dude, someone who has no problem criticizing Trump for his faults on this forum is not what a bubble makes.

Dude, anyone who has seen the goings on in this administration from the very get go and has read the Mueller report, has seen the evidence of Trumps abuse of power in the Ukraine deal, and continues to defend him is in the bubble. It means you're not a critical thinker in your own right, you're simply parroting the consevative propagandists and your self interested republican leaders.

Someone who incessantly parrots "orange man bad" 24/7

As explained above, orange man is bad, so I'm not parroting anyone no matter how many times I point it out.

and that Biden, Hillary, or any other politician from the democratic party can do no wrong

Never said that, but if you are going to falsely accuse them of something without any substantial evidence to back up your accusations then I'll defend them with the facts, or with your lack of facts. There is no evidence of Biden doing anything wrong, Trump just wants to put that question in the mind of non critical thinkers like yourself so that he can continue to beat him with it in a possible presidential campaign against him.

and to suggest otherwise is because they're susceptible to conservative propaganda conspiracies, fake journalist hacks, Russian propaganda or whatever is the very definition of not just someone in a bubble, but a pretty psychotic one at that.

Fact is that you are accusing them simply because you've heard it through the conservative propaganda grapevine. There is no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden, even though they keep pouring that nonsense into the porches of your naive ears, and it is an abuse of power to extort a foreign country to investigate a U.S. citizen for any reason, least of all in the case of an ally in exchange for desperately needed military aid that protects not only their, but our own national security. Doing that was actually aiding and abetting Russia, our common adversary, in their aggression into Ukraine.

[firstfloor]

Not, yet, and the Democrats seem to be rather confused as to whether or how to proceed.

[JimL]

Of course they're arguing process, because until there is a fair and impartial process in place, arguing the facts is pointless.

As far as you balloon heads are concerned, no process will ever be fair, because deep down, you know as well as we do that Trump is clearly guilty of, well, of many things, which we can sum up as abuse of power, or abuse of office. Btw, Trump could participate in the Judicial hearings with his atty's and his own witnesses, but he turned the opportunity down. So they, and you, will complain/whine no matter what, and that is because they, and you, have a consciousness of guilt.

[JimL]

Let's put it this way: it's futile to haggle over price per pound when dealing with a merchant who blatantly puts his thumb on the scale.

Trump is free to participte in the hearings, with his atty's, with his witnesses, in order to prove his innocence, so no, there's no thumb on the scale, there is just someone who doesn't want to pay the price.

[Cow Poke]

That's the CURRENT (as of a few hours ago) plan.

Yes, the Democrats, after promising there will be no partisan impeachment, are about to shoot themselves in both feet while both feet are in their mouths.

It will be a test of American governance like no other. Will the Senate live up to the founders hopes or not.

You'd have to believe that the founders' hopes would be that some dummy would come along and pervert the impeachment process into a political hackerbockle.

Will Trump break the Constitution.

According to the Democrats, he already done did.

It will either be a wonderful triumph or a disastrous end to the American Century.

Americans have their very own century?