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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassmoron View Post
    ...extorting a foreign leader to interfere in the US elections.
    That never happened.

    As for Dershorwitz, his position hasn't changed. From the CNN link, but buried at the very bottom of the article where you obviously didn't notice: "You need criminal-type behavior akin to treason and bribery. It doesn't have to be a technical crime because at the time that the framers wrote the constitution there was no criminal code."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    That never happened.

    As for Dershorwitz, his position hasn't changed. From the CNN link, but buried at the very bottom of the article where you obviously didn't notice: "You need criminal-type behavior akin to treason and bribery. It doesn't have to be a technical crime because at the time that the framers wrote the constitution there was no criminal code."
    Actually - it did. And it is as obvious as the sun in the desert except to those as who choose not to see it.

    More importantly, you focus on the idea that if the framers didn't mention a specific lawless act, or the criminal code does not detail a specific act as a crime, it can't be impeachable. But at the heart of every element mentioned in the constitution is a lawless leader that abuses his power as president. It is impossible to mention in a document every possible abuse of power that would be impeachable, but we are given examples of the same. And one of those examples is bribery. Blackmail is not mentioned, but blackmail is an especially heinous form of bribery, and it is basically what the president has done to Ukraine. He has said to them - you announce an investigation on Biden, or I will refuse to allow this country to help you fight off the Russian invasion. That investigation on Biden serves no purpose but to benefit the president in the upcoming election and has serious negative national security implications. The President has put his own personal gain over the best interests of the nation.

    There is no more serious abuse of power than that, no more abusive form of bribery than that. You are playing a legalistic game in an attempt to excuse extreme excess at the peril of the nation.

    How can you in good conscience ally yourself in this way MM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    Actually - it did. And it is as obvious as the sun in the desert except to those as who choose not to see it.

    More importantly, you focus on the idea that if the framers didn't mention a specific lawless act, or the criminal code does not detail a specific act as a crime, it can't be impeachable. But at the heart of every element mentioned in the constitution is a lawless leader that abuses his power as president. It is impossible to mention in a document every possible abuse of power that would be impeachable, but we are given examples of the same. And one of those examples is bribery. Blackmail is not mentioned, but blackmail is an especially heinous form of bribery, and it is basically what the president has done to Ukraine. He has said to them - you announce an investigation on Biden, or I will refuse to allow this country to help you fight off the Russian invasion. That investigation on Biden serves no purpose but to benefit the president in the upcoming election and has serious negative national security implications. The President has put his own personal gain over the best interests of the nation.

    There is no more serious abuse of power than that, no more abusive form of bribery than that. You are playing a legalistic game in an attempt to excuse extreme excess at the peril of the nation.

    How can you in good conscience ally yourself in this way MM?
    Your description of events is about as accurate as Shifty Schiff's "dramatisation" of the phonecall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Does one want a president who appoints porn stars to official positions, ...
    How about if we have a governor who was credibly accused of rape and battery, and yet gets elected POTUS? I think we should be able to impeach anyone who supported him or admits to voting for him, and revoke their voting rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    For the umpteenth time, it’s bribery.
    No. Since when do you bribe someone by withholding money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    No. Since when do you bribe someone by withholding money?
    Why folks use bribery and extortion interchangeably here is because the Zelensky administration had something it wanted from Trump -- a White House meeting to show support against Russian aggression -- and because the Zelensky administration had something it expected from the USA -- continuing military aid.

    Trump asked a "favor" in return for both -- the WH meeting (bribery) and the security aid that was already due by law (extortion).

    How is it that people here are still stuck on issues that were explained in October?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    That never happened.

    As for Dershorwitz, his position hasn't changed. From the CNN link, but buried at the very bottom of the article where you obviously didn't notice: "You need criminal-type behavior akin to treason and bribery. It doesn't have to be a technical crime because at the time that the framers wrote the constitution there was no criminal code."
    Dershorwitz pretends his position hasn't changed by saying he is "more correct now than he was then". But it has. Dershorwitz flatly contradicts himself:

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...-ac360-vpx.cnn
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    Quote Originally Posted by norrinradd View Post
    how about if we have a businessman who was credibly accused of rape and battery, and yet gets elected potus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
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    Cute.

    I'm willing to make a deal: Permanently disenfranchise every person who has supported or voted for Trump *and* every person who has supported or voted for either Clinton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    That never happened.

    As for Dershorwitz, his position hasn't changed. From the CNN link, but buried at the very bottom of the article where you obviously didn't notice: "You need criminal-type behavior akin to treason and bribery. It doesn't have to be a technical crime because at the time that the framers wrote the constitution there was no criminal code."
    No, you don't need criminal type behavior akin to bribery and treason. For instance, if the president decided to take a year off to relax and play golf, that would be an abuse of power, an impeachable offence, but not the violation of a criminal statute. Dershorwitz position has changed, at least for the purposes of this defense, and so has Ken Starr's. I heard a funny comment made the other day during Starr's hypocritical speech at the trial. "Does Ken Starr know that he's Ken Starr?" The same could be said of Dershorwitz!

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