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    I think the general public are fed up with all the lies and Republicans will cave in when they see that they will lose seats at the next election unless they dump Trump. Otherwise they will continue to ignore Trump’s crimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    I think the general public are fed up with all the lies and Republicans will cave in when they see that they will lose seats at the next election unless they dump Trump. Otherwise they will continue to ignore Trump’s crimes.
    Most of them seem to be of the same bad character as Trump, they made a deal with the devil, so I think they will continue in their support of the corrupt liar and chief and end up going down with the fast leaking ship. They're desperate attempt to convince the public that it's naught but a witch hunt is an attempt to save themselves now, as much as it is to save their lying corrupt captain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Most of them seem to be of the same bad character as Trump, they made a deal with the devil, so I think they will continue in their support of the corrupt liar and chief and end up going down with the fast leaking ship. They're desperate attempt to convince the public that it's naught but a witch hunt is an attempt to save themselves now, as much as it is to save their lying corrupt captain.
    It was the same with the Nixon impeachment. His allies stayed with him until the bitter end until it became obvious to them and their electorates that the president’s behavior was indefensible. It’s all about self-preservation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Most of them seem to be of the same bad character as Trump, they made a deal with the devil, so I think they will continue in their support of the corrupt liar and chief and end up going down with the fast leaking ship. They're desperate attempt to convince the public that it's naught but a witch hunt is an attempt to save themselves now, as much as it is to save their lying corrupt captain.
    This reminded me of Gerson's words:

    In light of all this — against all my instincts — I am sinking into cynicism. If the best of the Republican Party is willing to make shallow, shoddy excuses for an unfit president, then the path ahead is disturbingly clear. The details of the case for impeachment, it seems, will not finally matter. Fearing the revolt of their base — and the retribution of an emotionally unstable president — Senate Republicans (with one admirable exception, Utah’s Mitt Romney) have already chosen their final position: acquittal. And whatever is revealed in the course of the investigation — no matter how vomitous — will fall just short of an impeachable offense. The goal posts will move and move until they are in the next county. And tolerance for corruption in high places will continue to grow. https://twitter.com/mjgerson?lang=da
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    It was the same with the Nixon impeachment. His allies stayed with him until the bitter end until it became obvious to them and their electorates that the president’s behavior was indefensible. It’s all about self-preservation.
    Yes, they are not moral leaders for sure, more like morally bankrupt, unprincipled, followers, who will only turn on their morally bankrupt leader and speak the truth if and when the constituents themselves see what they're hiding behind the curtain and revolt. Individual power is obviously more important to GOP reps. than leadership, governance, democracy or their country. They've all got their finger to the wind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charles View Post
    This reminded me of Gerson's words:
    Indeed. And the goal posts are already moving. That there was "no quid pro quo" has now become, well there was a quid pro quo, but a quid pro quo is not illegal or impeachable. You've got to hand it to the corrupt, unprincipled republican party, they certainly have a lot of gall, they're shameless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Yes, they are not moral leaders for sure, more like morally bankrupt, unprincipled, followers, who will only turn on their morally bankrupt leader and speak the truth if and when the constituents themselves see what they're hiding behind the curtain and revolt. Individual power is obviously more important to GOP reps. than leadership, governance, democracy or their country. They've all got their finger to the wind!
    For sure. The GOP Reps will only turn against Trump, regardless of their true feelings, if they can be sure they are not alienating votes in their own Trump-supporting (i.e. Religious Right) electorates. Nothing to do with moral principle, it’s about political survival.
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    Shifty Adam Schiff just showed his cards. He posted on Twitter:

    The president continues to target public servants, including those who have served their country in combat, with baseless attacks.

    Efforts to intimidate or threaten witnesses will further build the case for obstruction, itself an impeachable offense.

    https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/st...83779730878466

    It would appear, then, that the endless investigations have one goal in mind: to goad Trump into "obstructing" the proceedings so they can then charge him with obstruction. Interesting.

    Here's the in-depth analysis:

    Just like the false accusations within the Trump-Russia collusion/conspiracy narrative, the end goal of the Mueller team was actually “obstruction.” Indeed, after quickly discovering there was nothing to the ‘collusion/conspiracy’, the Weissmann/Mueller team spent the majority of their time and effort trying to construct an obstruction of justice charge.

    Now we see the same process developing within Schiff’s phony Ukraine quid-pro-quo investigation. There’s no validity to the originating premise, so the investigative effort shifts toward building an “obstruction” impeachment charge.

    In both examples any action taken by President Trump to defend himself against false charges is re-framed as evidence of obstruction.

    This impeachment approach highlights why Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler and contracted Lawfare members Barry Berke and Norm Eisen are working diligently through the courts to gain access to the Mueller grand jury testimony.

    The special counsel grand jury proceedings were 100% about questioning witnesses to frame an obstruction of justice case against President Trump. Weissmann and Mueller spent most of their time shaping grand jury witnesses toward that objective.

    There is ZERO DOUBT Nadler, Berke and Eisen have been fully debriefed by Andrew Weissmann and the special counsel team about what exactly was presented in that grand jury. The impeachment by obstruction plan is why the HJC is going after the 6e material so hard.

    Almost anything an innocent person does to defend themselves against false accusations can be made to look like obstruction. Especially if the highest executive in the country is the one who stands falsely accused. This approach has Lawfare written all over it.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...further-build/

    This is worth repeating:

    Almost anything an innocent person does to defend themselves against false accusations can be made to look like obstruction.

    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Shifty Adam Schiff just showed his cards. He posted on Twitter:

    The president continues to target public servants, including those who have served their country in combat, with baseless attacks.

    Efforts to intimidate or threaten witnesses will further build the case for obstruction, itself an impeachable offense.

    https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/st...83779730878466

    It would appear, then, that the endless investigations have one goal in mind: to goad Trump into "obstructing" the proceedings so they can then charge him with obstruction. Interesting.

    Here's the in-depth analysis:

    Just like the false accusations within the Trump-Russia collusion/conspiracy narrative, the end goal of the Mueller team was actually “obstruction.” Indeed, after quickly discovering there was nothing to the ‘collusion/conspiracy’, the Weissmann/Mueller team spent the majority of their time and effort trying to construct an obstruction of justice charge.

    Now we see the same process developing within Schiff’s phony Ukraine quid-pro-quo investigation. There’s no validity to the originating premise, so the investigative effort shifts toward building an “obstruction” impeachment charge.

    In both examples any action taken by President Trump to defend himself against false charges is re-framed as evidence of obstruction.

    This impeachment approach highlights why Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler and contracted Lawfare members Barry Berke and Norm Eisen are working diligently through the courts to gain access to the Mueller grand jury testimony.

    The special counsel grand jury proceedings were 100% about questioning witnesses to frame an obstruction of justice case against President Trump. Weissmann and Mueller spent most of their time shaping grand jury witnesses toward that objective.

    There is ZERO DOUBT Nadler, Berke and Eisen have been fully debriefed by Andrew Weissmann and the special counsel team about what exactly was presented in that grand jury. The impeachment by obstruction plan is why the HJC is going after the 6e material so hard.

    Almost anything an innocent person does to defend themselves against false accusations can be made to look like obstruction. Especially if the highest executive in the country is the one who stands falsely accused. This approach has Lawfare written all over it.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com...further-build/

    This is worth repeating:

    Almost anything an innocent person does to defend themselves against false accusations can be made to look like obstruction.

    And specific to the current situation, almost anything a POTUS does to defend separation of powers and/or executive privilege can be made to look like obstruction or fascism.
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    And then there's entrapment...


    And now one of the 'star' witnesses may have committed perjury.

    There's a writer somewhere kicking himself because he never wrote the novel on this exact plot because it was too unbelievable.

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