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  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    That's what this hearing is all about, Jim.



    That's the liberal talking point, yes, but it negates the power of the third branch of government, and concedes it to a handful of partisans on ONE COMMITTEE from ONE HALF of one of the branches of government.

    Trump is not King. Neither is Nadler.
    Judge Jackson already made it clear in the Mcgahn case. The President is not a King, and just like McGahn himself, the President can't block witnesses or documentation.

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    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
      Judge Jackson already made it clear in the Mcgahn case.
      In that particular case, Jim. And that's not SCOTUS. Jackson is a District judge.

      The President is not a King
      Yeah, neither is Nadler.
      Last edited by Cow Poke; 12-12-2019, 05:25 PM.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Repubs are awful accomplices to Trump’s criminality.

        If Mitch McConnell goes through with his reported plan to hold a sham impeachment trial that acquits President Trump without calling witnesses, it will provide the perfect coda for the corrupt and farcical way Trump’s defenders have handled this saga all throughout.


        In so doing, the Senate majority leader and other assorted Trump propagandists will be unabashedly enshrining their position as follows: We’ve already decided in advance that the full facts will not persuade us to turn on Trump, no matter how damning they are, so why should we listen to them at all?


        This is how Trump’s defenders actually view the situation — and the awful implications of this should not be sugar-coated.

        Yet the scheme may not prove as easy to get away with as they think. Handled properly, Democrats can use it to demonstrate that Republicans themselves know Trump’s substantive defenses are weak and his corruption is indefensible — and vividly show how Republicans are functioning as Trump’s full-blown accomplices.
        WaPo
        Last edited by firstfloor; 12-12-2019, 05:27 PM.
        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
        “not all there” - you know who you are

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        • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
          Repubs are awful.
          So, you're worried that McConnell might treat the Dems like they treated the Repubs. How dastardly!
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            So, you're worried that McConnell might treat the Dems like they treated the Repubs. How dastardly!
            You caught me mid-edit again. It’s just a little phone!
            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
            “not all there” - you know who you are

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            • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
              You caught me mid-edit again. It’s just a little phone!
              So sorry. I'm kinda quick like that.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                So sorry. I'm kinda quick like that.
                No worries, CP. While your country is split along party lines, ours is split at the England/Scotland border.
                “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                “not all there” - you know who you are

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                • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                  No worries, CP. While your country is split along party lines, ours is split at the England/Scotland border.
                  My family hails from the north of Scotland. My wife's from that troublesome Ireland part. You know.... "up there".


                  But my DNA test shows I'm 50% Cherokee Indian.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    My family hails from the north of Scotland. My wife's from that troublesome Ireland part. You know.... "up there".


                    But my DNA test shows I'm 50% Cherokee Indian.
                    Sitting Bull.

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      My family hails from the north of Scotland. My wife's from that troublesome Ireland part. You know.... "up there".


                      But my DNA test shows I'm 50% Cherokee Indian.
                      Interesting. I live in Aberdeenshire, which is farming country. At this time of year, the days are short, it’s cold and damp, and many wish they were somewhere else.
                      “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                      “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                      “not all there” - you know who you are

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                      • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        Interesting. I live in Aberdeenshire, which is farming country. At this time of year, the days are short, it’s cold and damp, and many wish they were somewhere else.
                        I hope one day to visit that very locale.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          I hope one day to visit that very locale.
                          When you do, I’d be delighted to show you around.
                          “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                          “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                          “not all there” - you know who you are

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                          • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                            When you do, I’d be delighted to show you around.
                            Promise you won't electroshock me into being a pinko commie liberal leftist?
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                              Interesting. I live in Aberdeenshire, which is farming country. At this time of year, the days are short, it’s cold and damp, and many wish they were somewhere else.
                              Do you talk funny? Do you were a skirt?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Watermelon View Post
                                3 branches of government were created to exercise independent and unique powers. Disagreements can’t be ‘judged’ by another branch, like you said they are equal. Disputes between branches are settled by the constitution and this particular ‘dispute’ seems quite clear.

                                Nixon v US stated unanimously that the sole power of impeachment means that it’s outside judicial review.

                                Another important point it raised was that impeachment is a check not just on the executive but also the judiciary.

                                It then follows:

                                How can the judiciary decide what can or can’t be done to a power that is designed to keep them in check?

                                Likewise how can executive privilege extend beyond the reach of this power?

                                They can’t, it’s unconstitutional and goes against the separation of powers according to this decision.

                                The word ‘sole’ in the constitution deliberately leaves all aspects of impeachment to house discretion. This means that the house defines the rules as well as what constitutes an impeachable offence and has the power to compel participation through subpoenas. Refusing the cooperate is clearly an obstruction.

                                What are the arguments claiming this impeachment to be illegal actually based on?
                                Er, no. The Court has decided limited issues between the branches before so it's not as straightforward as you are arguing.

                                But more to the point if the president can abuse his power then it follows that all branches are capable of abuse of power. A partisan effort to remove a duly elected president without significant cause surely is an abuse of the power of impeachment.

                                The House Democrats may not be legally held to the highest standards of the law but falling short of them is political suicide. We Americans take the rights and protections granted by the Constitution very seriously. We expect much more of our representatives than a partisan hack job.
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