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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    That's ... not how impeachment works. SCOTUS gets to decide a lot of things but it doesn't get to tell a house of Congress how to run its hearings.

    But we're certainly seeing how the "law and order" folks are shaking out, I guess.

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    They certainly can decide if Trump is in the right to assert Executive Privilege. If he is the Dems would have no legal right to his cooperation. They are going to impeach either way - why hand them anything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Yes, that's the exact incident I referenced. But it's incorrect that Schiff met with the whistleblower (good reminder to not use Breitbart for, well, anything). It's a false allegation, concocted to give people ignorant or partisan a talking point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    They certainly can decide if Trump is in the right to assert Executive Privilege. If he is the Dems would have no legal right to his cooperation. They are going to impeach either way - why hand them anything...
    Can't rely on executive privilege in an impeachment proceeding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    SCOTUS has every right to determine if something is unconstitutional, should the matter rise to their court - that's their job.
    Assuming we accept Marbury (not everyone does), yes. And the Court left this avenue open in a previous case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    I wasn't done editing - my laptop keyboard starting weirding out.
    And my pain meds are kicking in, so maybe it wasn't just my keyboard -- I shall now try to revert to less intense discussions.

    And I just noticed you deleted your response - thanks for that, Sam -- I'll try again when I'm.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    That's ... not how impeachment works. SCOTUS gets to decide a lot of things but it doesn't get to tell a house of Congress how to run its hearings.
    Actually, they can tell them how to run their hearings if they're defying legal precedent and trying to issue subpoenas without the approval of the relevant chamber, which in this case means a House vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one - and both sides are playing politics.
    It's a political process predicated on an actual crime being committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    It's a political process predicated on an actual crime being committed.
    WRONG!!!!! It's a political process THAT SHOULD BE predicated on an actual crime being committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Schiff has been one of the Democratic leaders wary of impeachment.


    How do you come up with this stuff? The dude has been beating the impeachment drum for months. He's not wary of it, he's leading the charge! Even worse, he and his office coordinated with this "whistleblower" in order to manufacture another excuse to "git" Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Actually, they can tell them how to run their hearings if they're defying legal precedent and trying to issue subpoenas without the approval of the relevant chamber, which in this case means a House vote.

    Source: Nixon v. United States, 506 U.S. 224 (1993)

    A review of the Constitutional Convention's history and the contemporary commentary supports a reading of the constitutional language as deliberately placing the impeachment power in the Legislature, with no judicial involvement, even for the limited purpose of judicial review.

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