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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf these witnesses have evidence that would convict Trump, why didn't the House call them?
It is up to the House to provide the evidence to support their case. If they can't then the case drops.
They haven't proved anything.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by JimL View PostFace it Sparko, you don't want a trial, none of you do, you want it dismissed and covered up, because none of you either care about, or can handle, the truth.
I am fine if they want to call witnesses though. They would be calling witnesses that supported Trump, just like the Democrats only called witnesses to condemn Trump. The whole House investigation and impeachment was a joke. They provided no actual evidence of a crime, and now that they know how weak their case is, they want to have a do-over in the Senate. But they are the minority there and have no power. It would only be fair if the Republicans treated the Democrats in the Senate the way the Democrats in the House treated the Republican Representatives.
The Democrats made their bed and now they have to lie in it.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostFace it Sparko, you don't want a trial, none of you do, you want it dismissed and covered up, because none of you either care about, or can handle, the truth.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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When evidence of his financial mischief becomes available next year, there is a very good chance that Trump will be impeached for a second time.
McConnell seems to think that trials should not have witnesses, and the jury should work with the accused. What a very odd and creepy fellow he is.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostWhen evidence of his financial mischief becomes available next year, there is a very good chance that Trump will be impeached for a second time.
McConnell seems to think that trials should not have witnesses, and the jury should work with the accused. What a very odd and creepy fellow he is.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt's up to the house to interview the witnesses and do the investigation. They are the "prosecution" - if they cannot prove their case, the Senate (judge and jury) must acquit. They haven't proven anything. The Articles of impeachment contain no actual evidence, just accusations. Very weakly worded.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd the accusations do not name actual crimes.
6th amendment: "in all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right…to be confronted with the witnesses against him."
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Originally posted by Watermelon View PostCan they really just toss it out without having compelled testimonies from witnesses who reputedly have the most significant knowledge about this matter but have not yet testified?
Do you think a judge or anyone that’s actually interested in the truth would be ok with that? Sounds like oath is being ignored........ and a mistrial.
Second, the Senate, just like a judge, can rule on the validity of the case being brought. The courts are under no obligation to adjudicate frivolous cases or cases in which no criminal charges are filed. Impeachment is a weird critter but it has historically been a response to criminal activity. The House wants to change that but the Senate isn't required to agree.
I'd much prefer a trial and I don't like setting such a precedent but it is silly to say that the House can ignore precedent and rules of evidence but the Senate has to act as if it were an ordinary court. It isn't. It is coequal with the Supreme Court, not the Courts inferior."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostGlad to see that ...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIn support of that:
"The Senate is meant to act as judge and jury, to hear a trial, not to re-run the entire fact-finding investigation because angry partisans rushed sloppily through it,” - Senator McConnellThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostAnd what is the exact point in the above statement with regard to impeachment?
2) There is nothing that requires it address every point of ff's post
C) Mind your own businessThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostWhen evidence of his financial mischief becomes available next year, there is a very good chance that Trump will be impeached for a second time.
McConnell seems to think that trials should not have witnesses, and the jury should work with the accused. What a very odd and creepy fellow he is.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCorrect - the Senate is like jury deliberating on the case presented by the House.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAlso I believe the Constitution says the Senate trial will be led by the Chief Justice of SCOTUS. John Roberts. So it is possible that he could decide to call witnesses. Any decisions he makes in the trial can be overturned by 51% of the Senators though. And the final vote has to be 2/3rds in order to convict.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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