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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    That is very true, but then again, not that you're a bad guy, but for that very reason, we probably wouldn't be conversing at all if it weren't for the public forum.
    Actually, in the "church" part of my life, I'm mostly around conservatives. In the "faith based missions" part of my life, I am overwhelmingly surrounded by liberals - a number of whom are quite vocal and "in your face" about it.

    I get along with them just fine. I do find, however, that these liberals, when they discover I'm a conservative, are less likely to hang with me than I am with them.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Except that Warren didn't do what you claim she did, she didn't tell him to sit down and shut up. He asked her a question; "what would you answer to someone that said that he believed marriage should only be between a man and a woman? And she told him what she would answer. "Then marry a woman!" You didn't like that answer, you don't agree with her answer, and that's fine for you, but there was nothing hypocritical in her answer, it's the exact same answer that I would give.
    No, she didn't - but that was your original interpretation of what she did do, remember?

    What she did do was hypocritical for a different reason - and you already agreed with me on that.


    Edit: Okay, I misread your earlier post - you said hypothetical and I read it as hypocritical. So you hadn't conceded that point yet - my bad.

    I'll give a more detailed answer tomorrow - too sleepy now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Actually, in the "church" part of my life, I'm mostly around conservatives. In the "faith based missions" part of my life, I am overwhelmingly surrounded by liberals - a number of whom are quite vocal and "in your face" about it.

    I get along with them just fine. I do find, however, that these liberals, when they discover I'm a conservative, are less likely to hang with me than I am with them.
    Well, don't talk politics, don't let them know your on the dark side, and they'll probably like you just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Well, don't talk politics, don't let them know your on the dark side, and they'll probably like you just fine.
    The key is when you don't join in on the HateTrumpFest. You can't just be neutral, you have to hate Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Which community, exactly? And on what basis does one determine that any given community's moral standards are necessarily correct and worthy of conformity?
    Whichever “community” to which one belongs, e.g. in Salem the community thought it essential to kill ‘witches’ and their “basis was Holy Scripture. The same applied to pre-abolitionist slavery in the US or the denial of emancipation for all citizens, e.g. women. Today, in the West, we tend to recognize the basis to be recognition of 'the inherent dignity of all members of the human family and universal human rights.

    So, on what basis do YOU determine that a “community's moral standards are necessarily correct and worthy of conformity”?
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    No Lilpix, it is you who want others, including, according to you, "less enlightened Christians," to submit to your christian views such as "same sex partners can't get married." What others believe, and how others choose to live their lives is, frankly, none of your business. And no, the government isn't forcing anything down your throat as far as church activity goes, other than forbidding political activity. You can do that on your own!
    Jimmy, I take more of a libertarian view here and it is their life. I don’t find it necessary to track them down and use the government to force them to bend a knee or else. People are welcome to express whatever view of marriage they choose, even if you don’t like it.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    The key is when you don't join in on the HateTrumpFest. You can't just be neutral, you have to hate Trump.
    Well, that can be a problem. You shouldn't be neutral in the face of an obvious common enemy else the good guys suspect you to be feigning neutrality. It isn't about Hating Trump, it's about loving your country which Trump is doing his best to exploit and destroy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Jimmy, I take more of a libertarian view here and it is their life. I don’t find it necessary to track them down and use the government to force them to bend a knee or else. People are welcome to express whatever view of marriage they choose, even if you don’t like it.
    Good for you, Lilpix. So what are you complaining about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Good for you, Lilpix. So what are you complaining about?
    People wanting to use the government to track people down that disagree with them and use government force to make them bend a knee or else.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassmoron View Post
    It's the “right” of every person to live according to their own values and beliefs provided it is within the confines of accepted community values.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Which community, exactly? And on what basis does one determine that any given community's moral standards are necessarily correct and worthy of conformity?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tassmoron View Post
    Whichever “community” to which one belongs...
    So if you happened to find yourself in a community that believes it is morally good to subjugate and rape women, you would alter your own beliefs accordingly so that your moral standards are "within the confines of accepted community values"?
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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