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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Not sure what your point is, Romans 13 is pretty clear.
    Butt out, Seer - unless you plan to defend his accusation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    There is no rational moral case against capital punishment - nor does Scripture provide an absolute proscription of it. Without God's clear intervention (which we no longer have - the urim and thummim) there can be no guarantee of a just outcome. God is perfect, we aren't.
    What is your point about the High Priest's urim and thummim in the case of the death penalty?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I'm confused. I wasn't referring at all to anything to do with capitalization. Jim does it so often I ignore it. I was referring to calling capital punishment stupid.
    You defended his accusation. Maybe you didn't intend to, as implied here, but you did. You made no clarification - you just defended what he said.

    Of course, I'm mad! I can't figure out how that confuses you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    What is your point about the High Priest's urim and thummim in the case of the death penalty?
    At that time God provided a direct answer that was evidently readily interpreted. There would be no mistakes because God doesn't make any.

    Humans do little else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    At that time God provided a direct answer that was evidently readily interpreted. There would be no mistakes because God doesn't make any.

    Humans do little else.
    But that was not applied to the death penalty cases in the OT. Two witness was all that was needed.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    Butt out, Seer - unless you plan to defend his accusation.
    Butt out? I have no dog in this fight - I'm just trying to find out what your objection on Romans 13 is.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    You defended his accusation. Maybe you didn't intend to, as implied here, but you did. You made no clarification - you just defended what he said.

    Of course, I'm mad! I can't figure out how that confuses you.
    Because you were going on about a capitalization issue I hadn't even noticed.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Because you were going on about a capitalization issue I hadn't even noticed.
    Evidently you also didn't notice exactly what was said in the post you agreed with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    So? You are not making sense, many cultures and peoples accepted slavery. It was pretty much universal.
    Indeed. The point being made is that slavery was equally accepted by Christians as part of their culture and justified by the use of scripture. Just as historically ALL the cultural mores of the day in Christian societies have been justified by the use of scripture...e.g. the oppression of women.

    Why is that primitive or better than what we have today, especially in your morally relative world?
    Your argument was that capital punishment was a deterrent. It's not, it's vindictive revenge. “Scientists agree, by an overwhelming majority, that the death penalty has no deterrent effect. They felt the same way over ten years ago, and nothing has changed since then. States without the death penalty continue to have significantly lower murder rates than those that retain capital punishment".

    https://www.amnestyusa.org/a-clear-s...oes-not-deter/

    Americans tend to favor people keeping their own hard earned money rather than giving it to the government. This goes back to the Revolution.
    The consequence is one of the most inequitable and violent countries in the Western world, “U.S. Ranks 23rd Out of 30 Developed Countries for Inequality.”

    https://www.theatlantic.com/business...uality/513185/

    Yes and in those countries the religious would be happier than the non-religious.
    Except that one of the most religious countries in the Western world, the USA, ranks well below the more secular countries in the ‘Happiness' and 'Human Development' Indices.

    Not the point Tass, which is - should personal happiness be the goal in life?
    “Personal happiness” is NOT the goal in life, despite the DOI’s assertion that among these "unalienable rights" are "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness".

    Happiness is the consequence of a just and equitable society not necessarily the "goal". .

    What do you mean by health?
    I will leave that to the appropriate medical judgement in preserving the life or health of the woman in the third trimester vis a vis abortion.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Butt out? I have no dog in this fight - I'm just trying to find out what your objection on Romans 13 is.
    She has nothing. Against God-breathed Holy Scripture, she only has the worldly 'wisdom' of this age, which is nothing.

    It is always the worldly wisdom of this age, "our societies are different, it's a different time, now we know better", whether it's about death penalty, (sub)ordination of women, homosexuality, or any other cherished modern belief.
    Trump is basically "Bruce Wayne pretending to be a foppish retarded billionaire" tier genius, in case nerds need a simpler metaphor.

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