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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    I would do, as members of communities have always done, seek to change moral values that come to be seen as repugnant, such as above.
    And how do you reconcile this with your earlier statement that "It's the 'right' of every person to live according to their own values and beliefs provided it is within the confines of accepted community values"?

    What basis would you use to determine that certain behaviors accepted as the norm in a community are, in fact, "repugnant" and should be changed?

    It would also help if you defined exactly what you meant by "community". Immediate? Local? Regional? National? International? Global? Which "community" should one be beholden to morally, and why?
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    It's been discussed in Denmark for a while. Our politicians have had a watchful eye on Muslim groups, and the threat of removing tax-exemption has been aired more than once, for once that teaches anti-Democratic values. However as the zeitgeist today have homosexual unions being part of that, the Catholic Church came under the target for a bit. Bishop Chezlaw Kozon was quite willing to say that the Church will then only marry people in a religious sense, but that they'd have to go to the town hall for the legal stuff afterward.

    After that, it thankfully simmered down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And how do you reconcile this with your earlier statement that "It's the 'right' of every person to live according to their own values and beliefs provided it is within the confines of accepted community values"?

    What basis would you use to determine that certain behaviors accepted as the norm in a community are, in fact, "repugnant" and should be changed?
    The same way that Christians did when the Christian community decided that, despite scriptural support, it was no longer acceptable to kill ‘witches’, or own slaves, or subjugate women. Community values evolve over time. And scriptural understanding demonstrably evolves along with it.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassmoron View Post
    The same way that Christians did when the Christian community decided that, despite scriptural support, it was no longer acceptable to kill ‘witches’, or own slaves, or subjugate women. Community values evolve over time. And scriptural understanding demonstrably evolves along with it.
    I notice you're not actually answering the questions and instead trying use your own moral uncertainty as a club to beat on Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    So, you're keeping those tin foil hats close by then, eh? da guberment is a comin!
    Nice strawman, so just ignore those pleased by the prospects of forcing their beliefs on their opponents or else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilpixieofterror View Post
    Nice strawman, so just ignore those pleased by the prospects of forcing their beliefs on their opponents or else.
    Okay, I'll bite. Who forced their beliefs on you Lilpix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Okay, I'll bite. Who forced their beliefs on you Lilpix.
    Sweety, I know you’re reaching here, but let’s start here:

    What did Beto day he wants to do with Churches that don’t accept gay marriage?
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And how do you reconcile this with your earlier statement that "It's the 'right' of every person to live according to their own values and beliefs provided it is within the confines of accepted community values"?

    What basis would you use to determine that certain behaviors accepted as the norm in a community are, in fact, "repugnant" and should be changed?

    It would also help if you defined exactly what you meant by "community". Immediate? Local? Regional? National? International? Global? Which "community" should one be beholden to morally, and why?
    Democratically, ya dope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    Democratically, ya dope.
    Ah, so majority rules ... might makes right ... the Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules ... etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Ah, so majority rules ... might makes right ... the Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules ... etc.
    The majority didn’t seem to mind having the Jews, Gypsies, gays, mentally ill, etc shipped away.
    "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
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