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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post


    There is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime. Quite the reverse. Since abolishing the death penalty in 1976, Canada's murder rate has steadily declined and as of 2016 was at its lowest since 1966. This in marked contrast to the US which retains the death penalty.

    https://www.amnesty.ca/news/canada-m...-death-penalty
    Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you among those who handwaved away the fact that gun violence in the U.S. began to drop dramatically at the same time firearm purchases started to skyrocket?

    Just looking for consistency here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Your source is misleading. English common law mostly originated in pre-Christian common laws such as the Anglo-Saxon Dooms (e.g.), which were later augmented with the ten commandments.
    Not just the Ten Commandments:

    However, Alfred’s most important work was certainly his Law Code. It is preceded by a long introduction. (12) This contains translations not only of the Ten Commandments, but also of many other passages from the book af Exodus.(13) It is followed by an excerpt from Christ’s Sermon an the Mount (14) and by a brief account of apostolic history (with quotations from the apostolic book of Acts). (15) There, Alfred stresses the jots and tittles alias the minutiae of God’s Law and His Prophets (Matthew 5:17); the Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12); and the God-inspired decision af the First General Assembly of the Christian Church – in order to teach God’s Law and His Prophets (Amos 9:11) as well as His Gospel also in the congregations of Christ (Acts 15:15-29 & 16:4f).

    Then, King Alfred goes an to trace the growth of Church Law – as laid dawn by various Ecclesiastical Councils, both Ecumenical and English.(16) The concluding words (17) of his introduction then state that compensations for misdeeds an the part of men were ordained at many such Councils – and written in their records, with varying provisions.

    Thus Alfred first sets out the Ten Commandments – verbatim. Exodus 20:1-17.Next, from the passage Exodus 21:2 to 23:9, he recites many of the Old Testament case laws. Then, he moves on to the New Testament – citing from Christ’s Sermon on the Mount and also from the Acts of His Apostles. Finally, Alfred records his own case laws for medieval England....

    ....To prove this – just compare the statements of Mosaic Law with Alfred’s Anglo-British Common Law and also with the Westminster Confession of Faith and the Westminster Larger Catechism. For the New Testament itself – at Matthew 5:5-21f & I Timothy 5:17-21 etc., presupposes inter alia Exodus 20:1 to 23:9f in the Old Testament. Alfred cites Exodus 20:1 to 23:9 – as well as Matthew 5:17-19 & 7:1-12 and Acts 11:19-26f & 15:20-29 & 16:4-5. The Westminster Confession cites Exodus 21:1 to 22:29, as well as Matthew 5:17f and I Corinthians 9:8-10 etc.

    After recording Exodus 20:1 to 23:9, King Alfred declares: “These are judgments which Almighty God Himself spoke to Moses and commanded him to keep. Now, since the Lord’s only begotten Son our God and healing [Saviour) Christ has come to Middle Earth [alias the ‘Mediterranean World’) – He said that He did not come to break nor to forbid these commandments but to approve them well, and to teach them with all mildheartedness and lowly mindedness.” Matthew 5:5-19 cf. the Westminster Confession of Faith 19:5.

    “Then, after His throes [or ‘sufferings’), before His Apostles had gone throughout the Earth to teach, and while they were yet together – they turned many heathen nations to God”. While they were all together, they sent errand-writing to Antioch and to Syria- there to teach Christ’s Law [cf. Acts 11: 19-26]…. This is then that errand-writing which the Apostles sent to Antioch and to Syria and to Cilicia, which is meet for the heathen nations turned to Christ (cf Acts 15:20 & 16:4-5).

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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    So? You are not making sense, many cultures and peoples accepted slavery. It was pretty much universal. Why are you singling out Christians?
    Because he's not a universalist bigot - he's an anti-Christian bigot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Because he's not a universalist bigot - he's an anti-Christian bigot.
    Oh, I forgot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Oh, I forgot...
    Have you ever once seen him go on a rant to criticize Islam, for example, for their treatment of women? Or homosexuals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Have you ever once seen him go on a rant to criticize Islam, for example, for their treatment of women? Or homosexuals?
    And slavery is still accepted in large parts of Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...ntury_Islamism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Have you ever once seen him go on a rant to criticize Islam, for example, for their treatment of women? Or homosexuals?
    The one thing I respect about Penn (Penn and Teller), despite his intense criticism of Christianity, is his honesty on that matter and others. He acknowledges that Christians who try to evangelize him are simply doing the loving thing, and he admits that he refrains from criticizing Islam because he has a family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by demi-conservative View Post
    Back to denial, eh?

    What about God asking the Israelites to oversee executions? What about Romans 13?
    What about context and reading comprehension?

    Welcome back to ignore, troll boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teallaura View Post
    What about context and reading comprehension?
    Not sure what your point is, Romans 13 is pretty clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Except for when he drown everyone in a flood and then repented for it saying "never again will I do that."
    Regreting something doesn't mean it was wrong.

    I don't believe I mentioned anything about that. I just responded to your assertion that killing people to solve a problem is always stupid. Apparently yahwah disagreed with you.
    I wasn't commenting on God's laws but man's. I'd think the 'due process' comment one post previous would make that plain enough.

    There is no rational moral case against capital punishment - nor does Scripture provide an absolute proscription of it. Without God's clear intervention (which we no longer have - the urim and thummim) there can be no guarantee of a just outcome. God is perfect, we aren't.

    Therefore, it is stupid to play with fire and risk an irreversible, unjust outcome that God WILL expect us to account for.

    Nothing in that disagrees with God, just troll boy and morons who can't read straight.

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