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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostI don't follow - how does that lead to infinite regression? Is this related to omniscience?Last edited by seer; 11-17-2019, 06:24 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThat’s not what I said. What I said was that social values among Christians re divorce and remarriage have changed significantly over time. In short, your so-called God-given unchangeable moral values on this and many other things demonstrably change.
But the Christians who owned slaves for centuries disagree. They justified their slave ownership by scripture. See above re God’s so-called unchanging morality.
It is all relative in your world too, witness the changing moral attitudes re slavery over the millennia.
How silly you are. Human significance is NOT “merely a matter of opinion”. It has evolved as an essential part of our genetic make-up.
Except that you as a Christian are compelled to “turn the other cheek” in all instances.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim's argument is that if an infinite regression of physical events is impossible so would God's thoughts if they too were an infinite regression. If not an infinite regression then the claim is that God thoughts would be static, impossible to act on.
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Originally posted by seer View PostYes it could be a cyclic series of big bangs and crunches or a infinite series of events within a multiverse that give rise to smaller bubble universes within the larger multiverse.
I'm not reading 20 pages of this and I don't expect you guys to rehash it for me.
I still owe Lurch a look at some stuff..."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by seer View PostJim's argument is that if an infinite regression of physical events is impossible so would God's thoughts if they too were an infinite regression. If not an infinite regression then the claim is that God thoughts would be static, impossible to act on.Originally posted by JimL View PostExactly. And again, you only have the two alternatives, either eternal or temporal."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostExactly. And again, you only have the two alternatives, either eternal or temporal.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostAgain Tass, no, adultery is still sin. But like all sin it can be forgiven.
Nonsense Tass, I gave you clear texts from both the Old and New Testaments. And not everything in Scripture has to do with God's moral law.
No Tass, in my world there are universal moral truths to be discovered. Whether we get them right all the time or ignore them for selfish reasons does not change their existence. Just as the laws of logic are universal whether we get them right or misunderstand them.
That is just stupid - if it is an essential part of our genetic make-up then why did the Nazi slaughter the Jews?
So you agree that a life for a life is just. Good...“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhat I said was that social values among Christians re divorce and remarriage have changed significantly over time. E.g. adulterer and divorcee Donald Trump was voted into power with the support of the Christian Right. Whereas a generation ago Edward VIII was forced to abdicate his throne by the Church of England over the issue of marrying a divorcee. See the shifting standards of scripturally based public moral values among Christians?
How do you know you’ve understood the texts correctly? Christian slave-owners thought they’d got the scripture right. They fought a civil-war over it.
It is demonstrably untrue that "in your world" you have universal moral truths in scripture, e.g. against slavery. Christian slave-owners justified their behavior with scripture for centuries. You can’t both be right.
As far as the Jews were concerned their lives were just as significant as those of the Nazis that slaughtered them.
Why would you think a “life for a life” is good when Jesus enjoined you to “turn the other cheek” and NOT to demand an "eye for an eye"? Yet another example of scripture being in conflict with changing social values.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell Jim there is no evidence that anything beyond this universe exists and this universe is finite.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt leads to them to not being thoughts which are the result of a temporal process called thinking.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, you're admitting that there is no evidence of a god. Wow, that's amazing, seer. I know how difficult it is, and how much courage it takes, for a believer to finally admit that to himself. Good man.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell Jim there is no evidence that anything beyond this universe exists and this universe is finite.
19 For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse. 21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanks to Him, but they became futile in their thinking and darkened in their foolish hearts.…"Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostRomans 1Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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