You're deflecting. You're trying to turn my questions back on me without answering any of them yourself, most likely because you can't answer them without twisting yourself into contradictory knots.
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This conflicts with your earlier declaration that one is obligated to conform to the moral values of whatever "community" he happens to find himself in. In other words, you have no basis to say that yesterday's moral thinking is "primitive", or to imply that today's moral thinking is somehow more correct. In fact, your moral theory essentially demands that one have no firm convictions of any kind and readily accepts the status quo at any given moment, yet your arguments suggest otherwise. How do you reconcile this contradiction? Or do you not even try?
You also haven't defined which "community" one is morally obligated to conform to. Is it one's immediate community? Local community? Regional? National? International? Global? You'll find differences in moral thinking at each level, so which should you conform to, and why?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThis conflicts with your earlier declaration that one is obligated to conform to the moral values of whatever "community" he happens to find himself in. In other words, you have no basis to say that yesterday's moral thinking is "primitive", or to imply that today's moral thinking is somehow more correct. In fact, your moral theory essentially demands that one have no firm convictions of any kind and readily accepts the status quo at any given moment, yet your arguments suggest otherwise. How do you reconcile this contradiction? Or do you not even try?
You also haven't defined which "community" one is morally obligated to conform to. Is it one's immediate community? Local community? Regional? National? International? Global? You'll find differences in moral thinking at each level, so which should you conform to, and why?
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAh, so majority rules ... might makes right ... the Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules ... etc.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostJust can't give answer to the question yourself, can you, MM?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou guys are still deflecting. I do not believe morality is defined by the "community", so there's nothing for me to answer.
Even if everyone else in the world believed that it was morally right to kill one's neighbor and take his belongings, I would still have a basis to declare that it's morally wrong.
You and Tass, on the other hand, have suggested that personal convictions are meaningless, and that you would be obligated to go along with the crowd.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post...what makes a thing right or wrong is the effect it has on the society and the individual members thereof.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostI'll answer once you do, since you have avoided doing so for so long.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThis conflicts with your earlier declaration that one is obligated to conform to the moral values of whatever "community" he happens to find himself in. In other words, you have no basis to say that yesterday's moral thinking is "primitive", or to imply that today's moral thinking is somehow more correct. In fact, your moral theory essentially demands that one have no firm convictions of any kind and readily accepts the status quo at any given moment, yet your arguments suggest otherwise. How do you reconcile this contradiction? Or do you not even try?
You also haven't defined which "community" one is morally obligated to conform to. Is it one's immediate community? Local community? Regional? National? International? Global? You'll find differences in moral thinking at each level, so which should you conform to, and why?
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostMore deflection, and we both know it's because you can't give an answer that won't lead to you chasing your tail.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe objective standard I use, is based upon reason, i.e what behaviors are by reason found, to be in the best overall interests of human beings living together in community.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostThe objective standard I use, is based upon reason, i.e what behaviors are by reason found, to be in the best overall interests of human beings living together in community.
And again, which "community" are we morally obligated to? Immediate? Local? Regional? National? International? Global?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostWhat YOU need to do, and haven't done despite repeated requests, is explain how your alleged god-given objective morality can change from one era to another as it has for example re witch-killing, slave ownership or the subjugation of women and much else. You are unable to do this because what is morally acceptable in any community evolves over time and biblical interpretation demonstrably evolves along with it.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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