O�Rourke: Churches Should Lose Tax-exempt Status

[seer]

And yet Christians managed to justify slavery with scriptural texts for centuries. Scripture can be made to say whatever the moral culture of the day wants it to say.

So? You are not making sense, many cultures and peoples accepted slavery. It was pretty much universal. Why are you singling out Christians? And many Christians did not justify or accept slavery.

We have moved beyond the primitive

Why is that primitive or better than what we have today, especially in your morally relative world? Again: If I steal kill and eat a man's sheep, it would be just to be required to give him one of my sheep. Is that JUST or not? Yes or no?

Compared to many other Western nations the social safety net in the US is woefully inadequate.

Americans tend to favor people keeping their own hard earned money rather than giving it to the government. This goes back to the Revolution.

Delusional people are often happier than reality-based individuals. But the stats show that the 'Happiness' and 'Human Development' Indices are highest in the more secular countries.

Yes and in those countries the religious would be happier than the non-religious. But it seems that narcissists are very happy, and narcissism is on the rise! Perhaps your "happy" countries are filled with narcissists.

https://www.bbc.com/news/education-50184281

Moral according to whom. You?

Not the point Tass, which is - should personal happiness be the goal in life? Is it your goal? Perhaps we should all give into our narcissistic tendencies?

When it is necessary, according to appropriate medical judgement, to preserve the life or health of the woman.

What do you mean by health? Give me an example.

[KingsGambit]

(I do want to make sure Teal saw the above post. I'm still not sure why she's upset with me.)

[Roy]

And there is a clear deterrent - that person will NEVER murder or rape again. Whether in society or in the prison population.

There is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime. Quite the reverse. Since abolishing the death penalty in 1976, Canada's murder rate has steadily declined and as of 2016 was at its lowest since 1966. This in marked contrast to the US which retains the death penalty.

This is a lie, like I said the death penalty prevents that individual from ever raping or murdering again, that works 100% of the time.

It may be irrelevant, but that doesn't make it a lie.

So I've reported your post.

[seer]

It may be irrelevant, but that doesn't make it a lie.

So I've reported your post.

Please do idiot, because the death penalty is a deterrent.

[Roy]

Actually, we have a Judeo-Christian heritage from which came English Common Law.

Your source is misleading. English common law mostly originated in pre-Christian common laws such as the Anglo-Saxon Dooms (e.g.), which were later augmented with the ten commandments.

[rogue06]

There is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime. Quite the reverse. Since abolishing the death penalty in 1976, Canada's murder rate has steadily declined and as of 2016 was at its lowest since 1966. This in marked contrast to the US which retains the death penalty.

https://www.amnesty.ca/news/canada-m...-death-penalty

Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you among those who handwaved away the fact that gun violence in the U.S. began to drop dramatically at the same time firearm purchases started to skyrocket?

Just looking for consistency here

[seer]

Your source is misleading. English common law mostly originated in pre-Christian common laws such as the Anglo-Saxon Dooms (e.g.), which were later augmented with the ten commandments.

Not just the Ten Commandments:

https://ensignmessage.com/articles/k...ur-common-law/

[Cow Poke]

So? You are not making sense, many cultures and peoples accepted slavery. It was pretty much universal. Why are you singling out Christians?

Because he's not a universalist bigot - he's an anti-Christian bigot.

[seer]

Because he's not a universalist bigot - he's an anti-Christian bigot.

Oh, I forgot...

[Cow Poke]

Oh, I forgot...

Have you ever once seen him go on a rant to criticize Islam, for example, for their treatment of women? Or homosexuals?

[seer]

Have you ever once seen him go on a rant to criticize Islam, for example, for their treatment of women? Or homosexuals?

And slavery is still accepted in large parts of Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...ntury_Islamism

[KingsGambit]

Have you ever once seen him go on a rant to criticize Islam, for example, for their treatment of women? Or homosexuals?

The one thing I respect about Penn (Penn and Teller), despite his intense criticism of Christianity, is his honesty on that matter and others. He acknowledges that Christians who try to evangelize him are simply doing the loving thing, and he admits that he refrains from criticizing Islam because he has a family.

[Teallaura]

Back to denial, eh?

What about God asking the Israelites to oversee executions? What about Romans 13?

What about context and reading comprehension?

Welcome back to ignore, troll boy.

[seer]

What about context and reading comprehension?

Not sure what your point is, Romans 13 is pretty clear.

[Teallaura]

Except for when he drown everyone in a flood and then repented for it saying "never again will I do that."

Regreting something doesn't mean it was wrong.

I don't believe I mentioned anything about that. I just responded to your assertion that killing people to solve a problem is always stupid. Apparently yahwah disagreed with you.

I wasn't commenting on God's laws but man's. I'd think the 'due process' comment one post previous would make that plain enough.

There is no rational moral case against capital punishment - nor does Scripture provide an absolute proscription of it. Without God's clear intervention (which we no longer have - the urim and thummim) there can be no guarantee of a just outcome. God is perfect, we aren't.

Therefore, it is stupid to play with fire and risk an irreversible, unjust outcome that God WILL expect us to account for.

Nothing in that disagrees with God, just troll boy and morons who can't read straight.