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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    Salvation means protection from something. Temporal salvation means protection from something other than eternal death in hell. Here is an example of temporal salvation:

    James 5:14-15

    14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
    What if someone doesn't receive temporal salvation, even with good works? What would that indicate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Good, so works don't save. The problem is trying to judge another man's faith by his works. Every man has a different starting point, different demons to overcome. A different upbringing to bring to the task.
    And, again, this is where Grace comes in? Why would I want to "judge another man's faith by his works?" The only legitimate reason for me is in determining if would benefit from a presentation of the Gospel in regards to Salvation, or for encouragement in his Christian walk.

    In either case, it's not simply a matter of standing back and observing, but stepping forward and interacting.

    But, yes - what you said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    Good, so works don't save. The problem is trying to judge another man's faith by his works. Every man has a different starting point, different demons to overcome. A different upbringing to bring to the task.
    I heard a sermon not that long ago where the pastor argued that God works with people incrementally and doesn't seek to change everything at once. That there is room to grow. I think that fits with that.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I heard a sermon not that long ago where the pastor argued that God works with people incrementally and doesn't seek to change everything at once. That there is room to grow. I think that fits with that.
    Years ago, I heard Paul Little say something interesting. Instead of asking (or discussing) "are you saved or lost", he would ask something like "have you come to a saving faith in Christ, or are you still on the way?".

    I like that, because it doesn't slam a door shut in the face of a lost person - and I've heard MANY people respond, "yeah, I guess that's me... I'm still on the way..."
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    I heard a sermon not that long ago where the pastor argued that God works with people incrementally and doesn't seek to change everything at once. That there is room to grow. I think that fits with that.
    Or as CS Lewis said, it is not what the man is with Christ, but what he would have been without Christ...
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Years ago, I heard Paul Little say something interesting. Instead of asking (or discussing) "are you saved or lost", he would ask something like "have you come to a saving faith in Christ, or are you still on the way?".

    I like that, because it doesn't slam a door shut in the face of a lost person - and I've heard MANY people respond, "yeah, I guess that's me... I'm still on the way..."
    Everyone on this mortal coil is still on the way. Some of us can point to a time where we began our journey to salvation; the rest haven't yet gotten to that point.
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    I have to convert every now and then. I've been too preoccupied with my career lately, I really need to rededicate myself more to Christ. And if I was perfect I imagine I'd convert every single morning.

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