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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
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    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Taking isolated passages out of context is not one of the better ways to exegete. Christianity should be approached as a full-course meal, not picking out the bits we like from the salad bar.
    So perhaps we should add up all the "we must do works to obtain salvation" passages, and all the "faith alone is sufficient to obtain salvation" passages, pick the winner, and white out the losers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    So are works necessary for salvation?
    See KG's post above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    So perhaps we should add up all the "we must do works to obtain salvation" passages, and all the "faith alone is sufficient to obtain salvation" passages, pick the winner, and white out the losers.
    ...or we could take the sum of the whole, and work out a position which satisfies everything. I like that approach better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    So are works necessary for salvation?
    Put it this way, if there aren't any works, there is good reason to think there is no salvation (with obvious exceptions like the thief on the cross).

    But the works aren't what save you.
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    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    ...or we could take the sum of the whole, and work out a position which satisfies everything. I like that approach better.
    ISTM the best approach is to start with the idea that most likely, no passage really means what it seems to mean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Put it this way, if there aren't any works, there is good reason to think there is no salvation (with obvious exceptions like the thief on the cross).

    But the works aren't what save you.
    Good, so works don't save. The problem is trying to judge another man's faith by his works. Every man has a different starting point, different demons to overcome. A different upbringing to bring to the task.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd
    ISTM the best approach is to start with the idea that most likely, no passage really means what it seems to mean.
    Once you admit that there is temporal salvation as well as eternal salvation, and that temporal salvation usually requires works, it's pretty easy to see what every single passage means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obsidian View Post
    Once you admit that there is temporal salvation as well as eternal salvation, and that temporal salvation usually requires works, it's pretty easy to see what every single passage means.
    What do you mean by "temporal salvation", and what verses clearly make the distinction?
    Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.

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    Salvation means protection from something. Temporal salvation means protection from something other than eternal death in hell. Here is an example of temporal salvation:

    James 5:14-15

    14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 and the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

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